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Large passenger planes almost always have their engines hanging from the wings, Fighters usually have them in the rear, and small Cessnas have them on the nose.

What is the reason for these variations in design?

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    $\begingroup$ Many older jets like Sud Caravelle, DC-9 and B727 had engines on the tail and smaller jets (like the CRJ-200/700/900/1000 series) still do. $\endgroup$
    – Jan Hudec
    Commented Feb 25, 2014 at 22:03
  • $\begingroup$ The DC-10, MD-11, and L-1011 have both (1 in the tail and 1 under each wing.) $\endgroup$
    – reirab
    Commented Apr 10, 2014 at 20:22
  • $\begingroup$ or the BN Trilander... 1 prop in the tail, 1 in each wing... $\endgroup$
    – jwenting
    Commented Sep 3, 2014 at 9:37
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    $\begingroup$ Fighter engines are not in the rear. The exhaust nozzles are at the rear, but the engines occupy a region along the body. The main mass of the engine(s) is/are going to be pretty close the the aircraft's over-all CG. $\endgroup$
    – Anthony X
    Commented Jun 20, 2015 at 3:53

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Small aircraft need very low mounted wings to allow for a decent cabin height. The last commercial airliner which required the passengers to climb over the wing spar on their way to their seat was the Boeing P-247. Low wings do not allow the necessary space for engines, so the next best location is on the rear fuselage. Also, small aircraft have a relatively short fuselage, and the gear can be made short (and light) without risking a tail strike on rotation.

Fighters need to have small moments of inertia, especially in roll, so they cannot afford to put engines on the wings. Even the Me-262 was initially planned with fuselage-mounted engines, that's why it had this peculiar triangular fuselage cross section. Only when the engines grew in diameter during development they had to be placed on the wing.

Pros of rear-mounted / fuselage-mounted engines:

  • The wing is clean, having low drag and optimum conditions for lift creation.
  • The engines are easy to access (if mounted at the rear fuselage. Different story with buried engines!).
  • Smaller vertical tail needed for asymmetric thrust conditions.
  • Shorter, lighter landing gear possible (if rotation capability is not compromised).
  • Low roll inertia.

Cons of rear-mounted / fuselage-mounted engines:

  • No bending relief for the wing; heavier wing spar needed.
  • No help in flutter supression (a mass ahead of the elastic line helps).
  • Possible interference with wing wake at high angle of attack.
  • Forces the tail to be a T-tail configuration.
  • More structure needed to carry the thrust forces forward.
  • Intake noise is more audible, especially for passengers in the rear seats.

This picture of a Cessna Citation X should illustrate the point nicely.

Cessna Citation X, demonstrating low wing and short gear

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    $\begingroup$ I learned from this page that the Boeing 737 was initially planned with rear-mounted engines, like the Sud-Aviation Caravelle, which it was meant to replace. By selecting the final version with wing-mounted engines in the underslung design, Boeing could reduce the empty weight of the 733-100 by 700 pounds, no mean feat! $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 23, 2014 at 18:46
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    $\begingroup$ you could make a high wing airliner and have the engines hang under the wing. Think ARJ. Or a low wing airliner and have the engines on top of the wing. Think VFW614. And then there's the Comet, engines in the wing root. $\endgroup$
    – jwenting
    Commented Sep 3, 2014 at 9:38
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    $\begingroup$ @jwentig: Yes, you could, but it would not be prudent. The ARJ was initially a military transport, that's why it looks like one. And without Moritz Sutter, who wanted so dearly to have four-engined airplanes in Crossair, the commercial success would also have not been so great. At Crossair, the 146 had the nickname "Jumbolino". $\endgroup$ Commented Sep 3, 2014 at 16:13
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    $\begingroup$ The ARJ was developed from the 146, which was designed for the civilian market. The 146STA (I think it was called) was created as a military transport to create extra business, it wasn't the military version that was the initial concept (I may still have a 1980s era marketing brochure for that one I picked up at Farnborough some year). $\endgroup$
    – jwenting
    Commented Sep 4, 2014 at 6:36
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    $\begingroup$ @Antzi: Yes, the center part is the heaviest section of a wing. Seeing a wing as two separate things sticking out at the sides will make you forget what is hidden inside the fuselage. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 18, 2014 at 19:30
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When designing an aircraft one basic factor is the thrust needed. In order to meet the requirements in power one or more engines are used. Factors that affect the selection are overall engine size, performance, efficiency, cost, material and thermal limitations during operation conditions like take-off, max continuous, max climb and max cruise. The installation has to be made with the lowest possible weight, drag and cost.

The positioning is indicated by aerodynamic factors such as drag, aircraft performance and manoeuvrability -pitching moments change around the center of gravity- and airflow through the engine, structural and purely functional/safety like debris injection inside the engine during landing or takeoff. All the above is just to give you a small taste of how the procedure goes.

In general, selecting the correct engine or combination of engines and the optimal positioning is a quite complicated and sometimes very tedious process.

However simply put, the amount of thrust -taking into consideration the minimum and maximum required for certification, performance etc- is split among the engines. Now let's address each type of aircraft in your question individually and try to make the logic behind the positioning:

Fighters:
These don't have the engines in the rear (e.g. they don't have pusher props), usually the jets are either underneath the fuselage like the Eurofighter Typhoon, incorporated to the fuselage, or the cockpit sits ontop of the jet nacelle like the Corsair II while in all cases the output nozzle is at the rear. The reasoning behind this positioning is the need for power and high speed. Apart that the fuselage is the only place where the engines won't hinder the mounting of missiles and other ammunition on the wings where they can be placed, inspected and replaced on demand and with ease.

Large passenger jets (like the Boeing 747):
The main characteristic of this type is that the space in the fuselage is needed for the passengers' accomodation. This alone rules out the incorporation of the engine in the fuselage as was the case in the fighters. The total weight increases leading to a need in power. The latter dictates either a very large single engine or more smaller ones -which is usually the case- that have to be distributed around the body which makes it logical to be put under the wings.

Medium/Small passenger jets (like the Cessna Citation Mustang or Dassault Falcon 900):
When the aircraft becomes smaller and the clearence of the wings from the ground becomes smaller the engines cannot be mounted under the wings without practical problems. So the engines move towards the tail where the fuselage needs to be reinforced to support the additional weight. The overall performance of the aircraft is different than that of a wing-mounted-engine aircraft because the cg is moved aft when it is empty.

Small Cessnas and others have a single engine in the nose because, as by now should be obvious, they need the power that can be provided by that single engine and for reasons of symmetry and construction costs.

All the above is a brief attempt to demonstrate the general thought process behind the positioning of the engines. Each way has it's pros and cons that every engineer takes into consideration and although these are the general configurations exceptions do exist. Some are this asymetric BV 141, or this DC-10 that has both wing and rear mounted engines.

Further reading here.

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    $\begingroup$ Most fighters do locate the engines themselves far aft. There's a lot of complex intake geometry occupying the rest of the space, something that's important in supersonic flight (dealing with shock waves, etc. before they get to the compressor). In some older passenger jets, such as the DH Comet, the jet engines were buried in the wing root. That must have made for some interesting structural design considerations! $\endgroup$
    – Phil Perry
    Commented Apr 22, 2014 at 13:30
  • $\begingroup$ Or above the wings, ala the Honda. :) $\endgroup$
    – CGCampbell
    Commented Jun 27, 2014 at 0:07
  • $\begingroup$ @PhilPerry I imagine engine maintenance or replacement was an afterthought on the DH Comet. Probably took a good salesperson to get airliners to overlook that fatal flaw. $\endgroup$
    – IceArdor
    Commented Dec 29, 2015 at 17:42
  • $\begingroup$ @IceArdor it was a more aesthetically pleasing design though, but engine placement was the least of their problems. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 3, 2016 at 11:12
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    $\begingroup$ @memoryofadream: To be fair, the later Comets did solve the problem the early models had with spontaneously falling apart in midair... $\endgroup$
    – Vikki
    Commented May 2, 2018 at 17:00
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Also the nose-up moment during acceleration and likewise nose-down moment during deceleration with an under-wing engine design are favourable for stable flight characteristics. (the center of gravity is located in front of the center of pressure)

Airplanes with tail engines behave the other way around: during acceleration they produce a nose-down moment around their lateral axis. This in turn causes more drag and eventually more money. During deceleration, the nose-up moment can be dangerous, considering a near stall situation or slow flight in general.

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Mostly because of the number of engines. If you have more than one engine then it gets hard to put both in the middle. It can be done, there are fighters with two engines in the middle, but it makes more sense (less noise, easier maintenance, etc) to put them in the wings.

There's also a weight advantage. The wings lift the plane, the engines are a major weight component of the aircraft. So if the weight is where the lift is being produced you don't need to reinforce the structure to carry the forces around. Hence lighter structure.

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  • $\begingroup$ Vickers VC-10 and Illyushin Il-62 had four engines in the back. This worked well - but the wing was indeed heavier. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 26, 2014 at 21:25
  • $\begingroup$ @PeterKämpf: And it also increases the likelihood of an exploding engine taking out the next engine over. $\endgroup$
    – Vikki
    Commented May 2, 2018 at 17:02
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If you have one engine, it pretty much has to be on the centerline. Otherwise, you'd have asymmetric thrust and you'd have to deflect the rudder, all the time, to maintain straight flight. This causes drag. Put it on the front, in a "tractor" configuration. Or on the back, in a "pusher" configuration. Or on top (see Lake Buchaneer/Renegade). Either way, put it on the centerline of the aircraft.

If you have two or three engines, you usually want those as close to the centerline as possible. In the event that one of the engines shuts down (intentionally or otherwise), you want the remaining thrust to be as close to symmetric as possible, for the above reason. Bill Lear was fond of saying that, in a twin-engine aircraft, each engine was just powerful enough to get you to the scene of the crash. Meaning that, for many twin-engine aircraft, if you lost one engine, the other engine could keep you airborne until you could no longer counter the asymmetric thrust and you lost control and crashed. This why Lear Jets all have fuselage mounted engines (as close to the centerline as possible) and the last airplane he was developing (the Lear Fan) had twin turboprop engines driving only one prop. If you lost one of the engines in THAT bird, you had less power but your thrust was still perfectly symmetric.

There are aircraft which have > 3 engines, mounted close to the fuselage. The Lockheed JetStar comes to mind, as does the Comet. Unfortunately, putting multiple jet engines next to each other causes problems with the airflow around the air intakes, which can reduce the efficiency of the engines.

In the meantime, you also have the issue of weight. Aircraft are designed so that the center of gravity (or center of mass, if you prefer) is on the wings because that's where the lift is. One of the heaviest things a modern jetliner is carrying is ... fuel. Not surprisingly, many of them have most of their fuel storage in their wings. Another of the heaviest things they're carrying is ... the engines. If you put the engines on the wings you have to have a significant-sized fin and rudder to keep it straight in an engine-out situation, but the forward-aft weight balance works out nicely. Putting all that weight on the wings also means that the rest of the fuselage is bearing less of a load, which means the structure can be, relatively, lighter.

So, for large jetliners with massive high-bypass turbofans, you want the intakes spaced out as much as possible, for maximum efficiency, and you want them close to the wings so that much of the weight and the lift are easily connected. Of course, being able to use gravity to drain fuel down, from the wings into the engines, also means the engines are more likely to get fuel if there's an electrical problems (which could shut down the fuel boost pumps).

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  • $\begingroup$ Putting multiple jet engines next to each other can also cause problems if one of the engines blows up for some reason (it's much easier for fragments of one engine to disable another engine if said other engine is right next to the exploded engine); the Il-62 had a couple of crashes where this happened (admittedly, what actually caused the planes to crash those times was other engine fragments which punctured the fuselage and severed the control cables contained therein, but one can still see how the ease of engine fratricide could potentially cause problems all on its own). $\endgroup$
    – Vikki
    Commented May 2, 2018 at 16:58

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