Some airplanes have a dutch roll filter for the "yaw damper."

What is the dutch roll filter? When is it used? Is it ever required for certification or operation? How does it work?

  • $\begingroup$ you already asked a question about the difference between airbus and boeing. asking again won't help. $\endgroup$ – Federico May 22 at 10:54
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    $\begingroup$ We don't mind people asking homework related questions, but we do expect that you do your research first and show some prior effort. $\endgroup$ – GdD May 22 at 11:44
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    $\begingroup$ It keeps particles from getting into your Dutch roll. $\endgroup$ – Michael Hall May 22 at 16:31
  • $\begingroup$ Nobody likes particles in their Dutch roll - ruins the taste. $\endgroup$ – FreeMan May 22 at 17:55

I assume you know what a dutch roll is, if not here is a brief summary: At the airplane yaws to one side the wing that is moving forward has a higher speed and creates more lift which causes the aircraft to roll towards the trailing wing. There are also effects like the vertical stabilizer usually being above the center of gravity which at great side slip angles causes the aircraft to roll towards the trailing wing as well. And lastly there are effects like the fuselage causing a disturbance on the trailing wing. All these effects depend on the aircraft type and wing configurations. But generally speaking a yaw rate creates a roll rate as a side effect. And if you move the rudder left and right constantly then you cause the wings to rock, which is called a dutch roll. This behavior is quite unpleasant for passengers in the back or front because they are accelerated left and right.

To suppress this side effect of a yaw motion creating a roll motion and a subsequent dutch roll you can add a "durch roll filter" to the yaw damper control system. All it does from my understanding is to combine the normal feedback loop for the yaw rate with a second loop for the roll rate. This causes the yaw damper to reduce rudder deflection slightly whenever the roll rate picks up and increases it again when the roll rate stagnates which can stabilize the dutch roll and causes a more uniform roll rate. Modern fly by wire aircraft can also use the ailerons to dampen the dutch roll much more effectively. But if the yaw damper can only affect the rudder than this is obviously not an option.

I'm not 100% sure when it's used but I'm guessing that all modern airliners have this because there are people in the far back that would get motion sickness really quickly when the yaw damper allows a dutch roll and the aircraft swings side to side on every turn. For a small general aviation aircraft this may not be needed and development costs can be kept low.

As per all control systems I think the yaw damper with or without this filter has to be certified. And if the system is changed later on will also have to be tested and certified. Depending on the aircraft type you may need redundant yaw dampers

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  • $\begingroup$ So , with this information , can we say these are the difference boeing and airbus for the dutch roll filter? $\endgroup$ – Mert Mutlu May 22 at 21:24
  • $\begingroup$ It's not as black and white as you may think at first. Both aircraft manufacturers probably have made many iterations of yaw damper designs over the years and I'm sure a modern B787 yaw damper or an A350 yaw damper have a lot in common and are both pretty advanced. I would argue more on a per aircraft basis rather than Airbus vs. Boeing but I don't know the individual designs they used. $\endgroup$ – Jan May 22 at 21:34
  • $\begingroup$ Also the big manufacturers tend to out-source parts of the developments and could buy full avionics packaged, flight control systems or other things. It could even be the case that one Airbus aircraft and one Boeing aircraft have the exact same yaw damper. $\endgroup$ – Jan May 22 at 21:37
  • $\begingroup$ as I understand it, the difference in dutch roll filter on older aircraft is related to the fly by wire system. $\endgroup$ – Mert Mutlu May 22 at 21:38
  • $\begingroup$ I've been in aviation nearly 20 years and never heard it called a dutch roll filter. It's called a yaw damper system and it is part of or related to the automatic flight control system. Doesn't have to be a fly by wire aircraft. Planes with rods and cables still can have a yaw damper to reduce dutch roll. E.g BAE Hawk 127 $\endgroup$ – Craig May 25 at 1:11

Yaw damper systems implemented on most transport category aircraft accomplish the task of damping the dutch-roll. The only control output needed is the rudder.

Simple yaw damper system may use only yaw rate in its feedback. This increases the effective yaw damping, which increases the dutch-roll damping and is robust. However, the presence of the washout filter is less amenable to combating dutch-roll during turn maneuvers. In order to achieve good transient behaviour and adverse yaw suppression, feedforward is typically added from roll command in the form of turn coordination function. An example of a yaw rate damper design with feedforward is shown below:


Image ref: NASA TN D-5890

Most modern yaw damper on large transport category aircraft also feeds back lateral acceleration ($N_y$), since it's dynamically coupled with sideslip in flight, blended with yaw rate to increase robustness, and using the rudder system as the control output. This design is much more capable at suppressing undesired oscillations during turns. An example is shown below (the yaw damping system is the bottom half):

lateral stabilization system

Image ref: NASA TM X-62,094

With fly-by-wire, the latitude of control is greatly expanded. Control techniques such as eigenstructure assignment can be employed to completely separate lateral/directional degrees of freedom, thereby eliminating dutch-roll altogether.

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