# Why are there fewer stages in the turbine than in the compressor of a turbine engine?

I'm a student interested in aviation. I'd like to understand why the turbine section has fewer stages than the compressor section in a jet engine.

What would be the effects of adding stages to the turbine, or to the compressor? How is the optimal number of stages determined?

• What do you mean "less than"? Less than what? Compression ratio's? Mar 29, 2017 at 14:22
• Are you asking why there are fewer turbine stages than compressor stages? E.g. 2 turbine stages but 10 compressor stages in many high pressure systems. Mar 29, 2017 at 15:59
• Because the hot side has a larger volume and energy and doesn't has to be very effective to harvest the energy it needs. Compared with the compression ratio of the compressor, the turbine doesn't decompress as much . Aug 12, 2017 at 17:51

Very simply, a turbine has fewer stages than the compressor, because the flow in the turbine is going in the direction of reducing pressure - the air wants to go that way naturally. But a compressor has to make the air flow in the direction of increasing pressure. If this is done too aggressively (attempting too much pressure rise per stage), the air flow on the blade seperates, and stalls. In severe situations, the flow can completely reverse direction and exit the intake.

• It has to be easier for the gas to go through the turbine than back the compressor, otherwise it wouldn't flow in the desired direction. Oct 18, 2021 at 9:27

It's well-known that the designers always desire to less weight and less complexity, so if there isn't the need to add the stages to the turbine they will not add auxilary stages. Such, the problem is why the compressor need much more stages to achieve some compression ratio than the number of stages of the turbine,simply to say, with somewhat less (numerically) expanding ratio. If exactly, the expanding process is continued in the exhaust nozzle. But this isn't the main cause of the less number of stages of a turbine. The explanation is following. Every stage has a definite max loading coefficient that determinaned by aerodynamical possibility (certainly, w/o significant losses) to change flow direction on a stage (of a turbine or a compressor). The aerodynamical possibility of a hot gas flow with very high temperature (i.e. with very high sound speed and very less density, conseequently, the flow is subsonic and with high Re number ) is much more than the possibility of the cold gas flow with higher density on a compressor, because the cold flow is with lower sound speed, and usually the flow is supersonic or high subsonic, and futhermore with much lower Re number (more influence of viscousity). It causes great difficulties for significant change of flow direction w/o essential losses. And it's necessary to add a very important issue that the gas flow in the compressor moves towards the zones with higher pressure (pressure gradient is positive) that may lead to flow separation (contrary flow in boundary layer), while in the turbine the negative pressure gradient exists that is prevent factor for flow separation.
That is why the turbine blades are made thicker with great curvature and more "streamline" than the compressor blades. Therefore, a turbine stage has much more loading coefficient than a compressor stage and conseequently a turbine may be made with less number of stages.

• Well done - a good effort for an answer. I think the gist of what you are saying is correct although the answer is difficult to read at times. Although for such a complex design space it is difficult to explain in just a few paragraphs. As you say the aerodynamic limitations means that compressors are limited to about 1.4 pressure ratio per stage so you need multiple stages to get the required compression for the performance. Turbines extracting energy can be impulse or reaction design and only need one or two stages to extract the required energy. Apr 1, 2017 at 22:31

From windmill physics we see that wind power is proportional to the cube of windspeed as:

Wind power = Density × Area × v$$^3$$/2

The exhaust gasses of a jet engine are of lower density from heating, slightly higher mass, but are going much faster than the inlet gasses

This explains why a smaller turbine can run a larger (more blade area compresser) with plenty of energy left over for propulsion.

How to use excess energy?

The most efficient method of propulsion depends on the desired airspeed.

At low airspeeds propellers (literally rotating wings) are most efficient at generating thrust. Energy is extracted to turn them by adding more turbine blade area. This reduces exhaust gas velocity but extracts more mechanical energy.

At higher airspeeds the fan replaces the propeller. At transsonic and supersonic speeds, the "extra windmill" can be removed from the turbine and the engine operates as a "turbojet", essentially an airbreathing rocket with the turbine only running the compresser.

Faster still, one can remove the compresser and turbine and operate as a ramjet.