I recently bought a quadcopter and noticed every time I fly it there is this weird buzzing noise. I have heard this noise on other quadcopters around the same size as mine(4in by 4in). On an airliner turbofan engine you can sometimes hear this weird buzzing sound from the engines, which this sound is the n1 fan spinning faster than the speed of sound and resulting in this loud buzzing sound. So is my little quadcopter motors going supersonic or is it something else?
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$\begingroup$ I cant find good tags for this question. If there is a good tag for this question besides supersonic than please add it to the question thanks. $\endgroup$– EthanCommented Oct 20, 2015 at 18:45
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$\begingroup$ @mins does that mean length of the blade. If is that I measured 0.5in in lenght of each of the 16 blades. $\endgroup$– EthanCommented Oct 20, 2015 at 21:25
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1$\begingroup$ @Ethan diameter means twice the radius (i.e. the width of the entire circle through which the blades spin.) If you have an even number of blades on the prop, you can measure this as the distance from one blade tip to the tip of the opposite blade. Otherwise, you can measure it as 2 x the distance from the center of the drop to a blade tip. $\endgroup$– reirabCommented Oct 20, 2015 at 21:28
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4$\begingroup$ The "buzz saw" noise from jet engine fans is created by high vibration amplitudes in the blades, not from supersonic airflow. A common cause is aerodynamic flutter creating a feedback loop which excites the vibration modes. This doesn't necessarily occur at the maximum N1 speed. Eliminating these problems can be challenging - for example I was once involved with a situation where less than 1 part in 1 million of the total power output of the engine was "getting into the wrong place" and generating the nasty noise. $\endgroup$– alephzeroCommented Oct 20, 2015 at 22:00
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1$\begingroup$ @mins Yes its the same model $\endgroup$– EthanCommented Oct 21, 2015 at 2:01
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Almost certainly not. Given the comments specifying a $0.5$ inch radius (blade length,) that means the circumference of the path of the blade tips would then be
$$2 \pi \cdot 0.5 \, \text{inches} \approx 3.1415 \, \text{inches} \approx 0.2618 \,\text{feet}$$
To get to the speed of sound (which is approximately $1,126 \,\frac{\text{ft}}{\text{s}}$ at sea level,) that means you'd need to have the fan spinning at
$$\frac{1,126}{0.2618} \approx 4,301 \,\text{Hz} \approx 258,060 \,\text{rpm}$$
Needless to say, that's not happening unless you have one seriously expensive quadcopter.
The buzzing you hear is probably either the frequency at which the motor is spinning or, perhaps, the frequency of some oscillation of the fan blades. Most likely, though, it's just the frequency of the motor/fan.
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13$\begingroup$ Each rotor has its own motor, so each prop will rotate a close-to but not necessary the same rate. This may produce a beat note which could be the audible artifact the OP is noticing. $\endgroup$ Commented Oct 20, 2015 at 22:01
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5$\begingroup$ To give an idea of what 258,000 RPM is: the electrons in the Large Hadron collider are doing about 666,666 RPM (0.00 009 seconds per rotation). $\endgroup$– NzallCommented Oct 20, 2015 at 22:11
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1$\begingroup$ @NateKerkhofs: Isn't that mostly just a function of the LHC's size? I'd expect smaller accelerators to have much higher RPMs, since the track is so much shorter. $\endgroup$ Commented Oct 21, 2015 at 0:25
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3$\begingroup$ Arg. That should say "accelerate electrons," not "accelerate electronics." One would hope that they don't accelerate their electronics. :) $\endgroup$– reirabCommented Oct 21, 2015 at 1:29
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It's possible, but I would say unlikely. Supersonic propeller tips really mess with efficiency.
The tip speed of many aircraft propellers is close to supersonic, and if not properly controlled can exceed the speed of sound, but most models don't get up that fast (and your blade tips don't have to be supersonic to be annoyingly loud).
There is a formula to figure out the speed of the blade tip. For your quadcopter multiply the blade RPM by the diameter (in inches), and multiply that by 0.00426
$ TipSpeed = RPM * Diameter * 0.00426 $
The result is in Feet per Second.
Anything over 1125 feet per second (343 meters per second) and your tips are supersonic.
Anything over about 650 feet per second (200 meters per second) and the propeller is probably really loud and annoying.
answered Oct 20, 2015 at 18:55
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3$\begingroup$ Can you provide this equation in meters too? Thanks! $\endgroup$ Commented Oct 20, 2015 at 21:08
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2$\begingroup$ @Ethan With a 0.5" blade length, that's extremely unlikely. See my answer. I've updated it to reflect the 0.5" blade length you mentioned recently in a comment. $\endgroup$– reirabCommented Oct 20, 2015 at 21:37
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2$\begingroup$ What is this magic number,
0.00426? $\endgroup$– BradCommented Oct 20, 2015 at 23:48 -
3$\begingroup$ @Brad: It's
pidivided by60and12. Required to convertrpmtorps, thenintoft. Inmeters:3.14 * d * rpm / 60. $\endgroup$– minsCommented Oct 21, 2015 at 0:23 -
2$\begingroup$ @mins Well, it's
3.14 * d * rpm / 60regardless of whether you're using meters, feet, furlongs, or megaparsecs. :) $\endgroup$– reirabCommented Oct 21, 2015 at 0:52
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Definitely not. I fly a quad with similar-sized props (mine are 2.5 inches diameter), and there's NO WAY those break the sound barrier, even at full power, tens of thousands of RPM. It's actually very quiet. I think you might be hearing something loose rattling around on the quad- check that everything's tightened down, I took off with half the bottom plate hanging off my quad a few days ago, and I heard exactly the sound you're describing. I couldn't see that it was hanging off because I fly FPV, and I had the goggles on. Learn what your quad sounds like with everything secure so you can hear it when something's off- it saved me from busting the bottom plate off during an acro flight.
