Timeline for Can the guard frequency be used by non-aircraft / general public?
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| Nov 22, 2023 at 15:10 | vote | accept | Goulash | ||
| Oct 6, 2023 at 20:02 | answer | added | Stephan Samuel | timeline score: 3 | |
| Aug 24, 2021 at 20:16 | answer | added | rclocher3 | timeline score: 2 | |
| Aug 23, 2021 at 16:23 | comment | added | Michael Hall | It would probably be a lot easier, (and more appropriate) to coordinate with ATC by phone when an aircraft enters the TFR. After all, they control the airspace. You are just borrowing it and have no real authority. | |
| Aug 23, 2021 at 16:02 | history | edited | user14897 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Aug 23, 2021 at 15:45 | answer | added | RetiredATC | timeline score: 19 | |
| Aug 23, 2021 at 11:43 | comment | added | mins | @alephzero: "In an emergency, anything can be acceptable", right in general and it's good to mention it. However there is an exception: You may have been given a more suitable mean to act in case of emergency, In the case of TFR, if the FAA waiver contains a way to report / prevent intrusion and which is usable, then it must be used, this is why I asked the OP whether they read the waiver, before starting to create another way to act in case of emergency. | |
| Aug 23, 2021 at 4:21 | comment | added | reirab | @ZachLipton Yeah, agreed. I didn't take that as an attempt to impersonate ATC at all, but rather one crew communicating to another upon noticing about an urgent action they needed to take. Which is, of course, always acceptable on aviation frequencies. Same as when the United crew told Air Canada that they were lined up on a parallel taxiway at SFO seconds before they were about to touch down on it (and the line of airplanes sitting on it.) | |
| Aug 22, 2021 at 23:58 | comment | added | Zach Lipton | @alephzero I'm not quite sure I'd say they impersonated ATC. The easyJet crew first called the tower to report the situation, saying "Tower, there is a traffic landing 09R," and then realizing the urgency of the situation called for the go around themselves: "Go around 09R go around." That's less impersonation of ATC and more one pilot addressing the other aircraft directly. | |
| Aug 22, 2021 at 20:58 | comment | added | alephzero | In an emergency, anything can be acceptable. For example there was fairly recent incident at Paris CDG where a mix-up between ATC and a flight crew resulted in the crew thinking they were instructed to make a late change to a parallel runway during approach, and would have landed on a runway that was already occupied. A pilot who was waiting for takeoff clearance realized what was happening and explicitly impersonated ATC, using the tower frequency, to instruct the landing plane to go round. (And the instruction was complied with, averting an accident). | |
| Aug 22, 2021 at 13:14 | answer | added | Anthony X | timeline score: 10 | |
| Aug 22, 2021 at 12:55 | comment | added | Bianfable | Related: Which FCC license do I need to operate an aviation radio on the ground? | |
| Aug 22, 2021 at 11:06 | history | became hot network question | |||
| Aug 22, 2021 at 10:29 | comment | added | mins | Assuming this is for amateur rocket launch, for US/FAA these TFR are managed like described in JO 7400.2 section 31. A waiver is granted by FAA, it should contain instructions for preventing intrusions, possibly a live contact with ATC (31−2−7) or a specific frequency announced in the activation NOTAM (31−2−8). Have you seen this waiver or a NOTAM? | |
| Aug 22, 2021 at 10:21 | history | edited | Bianfable | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Aug 22, 2021 at 9:38 | history | edited | Bianfable | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Aug 22, 2021 at 9:00 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackAviation/status/1429367751739641867 | ||
| Aug 22, 2021 at 7:42 | answer | added | Jpe61 | timeline score: 16 | |
| Aug 22, 2021 at 4:33 | comment | added | Steve V. | Fair enough, it's a good question and I'm interested to learn the answers as well! | |
| Aug 22, 2021 at 4:31 | comment | added | Goulash | I have no idea, I'm not involved with the organisational side at all, I'm just involved in the rocketry side of it. I'm only asking this question out of personal curiosity, not for advice to give to the organisation. My curiosity comes from a tangential interest in aviation and radio communications. It's certainly possible someone within the organisation who is responsible for filing the TFRs already knows the answer to this question, but I don't know who to ask and I still figured here would be a good place to get some good insight about rules for non-aircraft use of aviation frequencies. | |
| Aug 22, 2021 at 4:22 | comment | added | Steve V. | Hi Goulash, welcome to Aviation.SE! Is there a reason that your organization is able to file TFRs but not able to determine whether an appropriate radio frequency exists? I'm not asking maliciously, I'm just surprised that the responsible party for the TFR wouldn't have or be able to determine that information already. | |
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| Aug 22, 2021 at 3:06 | history | asked | Goulash | CC BY-SA 4.0 |