Timeline for Does an SVFR clearance extend to Echo surface extensions?
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| Oct 29, 2023 at 14:03 | comment | added | quiet flyer | Highly related answer (by an ATC controller) to a related question: aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/71406/… . Key line: "In the Center environment, we make no distinction between the surface area and the extensions when dealing with SVFR." | |
| Apr 29, 2022 at 22:19 | comment | added | quiet flyer | Relevant-- aviation.stackexchange.com/a/64206/34686 , aviation.stackexchange.com/a/55806/34686 . | |
| Apr 29, 2022 at 22:16 | comment | added | quiet flyer | Probably ought to re-work my answer to emphasize these two fundamentally different issues. | |
| Apr 29, 2022 at 22:16 | comment | added | quiet flyer | (ctd) does have "control" over the extensions as well as the core "surface area". Similarly, in cases like SIT/PASI there is no tower at all, but rather the "extensions" are appended to a core Class E airspace area that never changes to Class D. There, the same entity controls the "extensions" as the core "surface area". So, that's all pertaining to who controls the airspace. But the other issue is whether the language of 91.157(a) should be construed to encompass the "extensions" at all-- if not, then SVFR should not be authorized there, no matter who controls the airspace. | |
| Apr 29, 2022 at 22:13 | comment | added | quiet flyer | There really are two different issues here. One is that the control tower typically does not "control" the surface-level Class E "extensions" and so typically cannot clear aircraft to enter the "extensions" without talking to someone else first. But that doesn't mean they couldn't go ahead and make the required call and then clear an aircraft into that airspace-- IF the phrasing of FAR 91.157(a) is construed to include those "extensions". Also consider the cases where the tower is closed and so the pilot is not making the request of the tower anyway, but rather of Center, etc, who clearly | |
| May 5, 2021 at 15:49 | history | edited | quiet flyer |
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| Apr 17, 2021 at 1:32 | comment | added | quiet flyer | A comment to this related question aviation.stackexchange.com/a/49105/34686 by 757toga suggests that he experienced a case where a SVFR clearance could be granted for surface-level Class E extensions. And here is a related answer to another related ASE question: aviation.stackexchange.com/a/64206/34686 | |
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| Oct 15, 2018 at 5:35 | answer | added | user28642 | timeline score: 4 | |
| Oct 11, 2018 at 21:00 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackAviation/status/1050491254126067712 | ||
| Oct 11, 2018 at 18:50 | answer | added | quiet flyer | timeline score: 0 | |
| Feb 18, 2018 at 5:08 | answer | added | user22445 | timeline score: 1 | |
| Jan 31, 2018 at 3:05 | comment | added | TomMcW | ATC should tell you what they’re clearing you for. If they just say they’re clearing you for the delta then you will need to be VFR before you reach echo or avoid it. If you need SVFR through the echo you should tell them that when you request clearance. It will be up to them if they can do that or not. The point is, if you’re not told you’re cleared svfr into the echo then you are not | |
| Jan 31, 2018 at 1:40 | comment | added | user28642 | Thanks, that helps. But I'm still unclear on the scope of an SVFR clearance. Is it a clearance for lower minima in all the surface airspace for the airport? (Delta + surface Echo) Or only for the core Delta circle? My CFI says it's only for the central 5SM Delta and that the Echo surface extensions remain at higher minima. This makes no sense to me, so trying to understand. | |
| Jan 30, 2018 at 20:33 | comment | added | TomMcW | Not a duplicate, but this answer addresses the meaning of "dedicated to the surface for an airport" pretty well. The "for an airport" is really superfluous and is considered so by the FAA | |
| Jan 30, 2018 at 2:02 | history | asked | user28642 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |