Timeline for Is it recommended to get a life raft for short overwater operations?
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| May 15, 2020 at 21:45 | vote | accept | SurfandSky | ||
| May 15, 2020 at 18:05 | comment | added | Bianfable | @PeterMortensen I approved your edit because it was mostly useful, but you don't have to link everything to Wikipedia. Especially Los Angeles really does not need a Wikipedia link in this question. Also see Do we really need to reference everything to wikipedia? on Meta. | |
| S May 15, 2020 at 18:03 | history | suggested | Peter Mortensen | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Copy edited (e.g. ref. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Catalina_Island_(California)> and <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_172>). Changed to sentence casing for the title. Units for the rest of us.
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| May 15, 2020 at 17:13 | comment | added | John K | @Jason no worries but if you ditch in a high wing airplane like a 172 there is no way you will be able to get out while extracting a life raft. The airplane will sink like a rock and it'll be maximum effort just to get out. If you tether yourself to the raft it'll just end up pulling you under as the airplane sinks. You're going to be in the water 30 min max before a CG helicopter gets there. A Mae West is all you need. Even there, you have to be careful not to inflate it until you're out. | |
| May 15, 2020 at 16:00 | review | Suggested edits | |||
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| May 15, 2020 at 15:21 | comment | added | Jason | @John K, Respectfully, I disagree. A fire extinguisher is useless in many situations. Seatbelts are useless in head-on collisions over 80MPH. Finding a situation where a safety device is useless is often a subconscious rationalization for a decision we have already made, but don't feel good about. Sure, the life raft probably IS useless in most situations. Would you still decline to take the liferaft if it was free? Why? At the time of this comment, only one person has even mentioned space or weight. | |
| May 14, 2020 at 22:19 | comment | added | John K | @Jason the main objection is it's expensive and useless in the situation described. | |
| May 14, 2020 at 19:34 | answer | added | Amazon Dies In Darkness | timeline score: 3 | |
| May 14, 2020 at 18:46 | comment | added | Jason | I'm not a pilot, but an offshore sailor. The only objection you raise is price. I can't put a price on your life. I have read more than a few cases of ships lost at sea which didn't have appropriate safety gear (EPIRB, life raft) because "it was expensive" states the surviving relative. Yet they have expensive "toys" like a $500 Yeti cooler. The yacht (or plane) itself is expensive. It's not a fun expense, but arguably you'll spend less time worrying if you have the proper gear. On the other hand, if you need it and don't have it, you won't regret it for very long... | |
| May 14, 2020 at 18:30 | comment | added | Fred Larson | There's a nice video from Aviation 101 on flying to Catalina. No mention of a raft, but they do wear manually inflated life vests. youtube.com/watch?v=CQ3LGEsKb4Y | |
| May 14, 2020 at 18:26 | comment | added | Tim | If you are really scared of the water... seaplanesoflosangeles.com | |
| May 14, 2020 at 13:33 | comment | added | DJClayworth | @RyanMortensen Thank you. The answers here are very different to the answers on your linked question, so I think it's not really a duplicate. | |
| May 14, 2020 at 13:21 | review | Close votes | |||
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| May 14, 2020 at 13:00 | comment | added | Ryan Mortensen | Does this answer your question? When is flotation gear legally required for pilots and passengers on a non-commercial flight in a small airplane over water? | |
| May 14, 2020 at 12:58 | comment | added | Ryan Mortensen | @DJClayworth welcome to the Aviation Stackexchange community. I would have thought the same thing 2 years ago. It is a clear precedent here that marking a question as duplicate is actually less about the question being asked and more about the answers it would generate. So based on the history of moderator judgements and meta questions addressing it, this would be a duplicate because it would generate the same answers. Anything purely opinion-based is really not meant to be asked. | |
| May 14, 2020 at 7:48 | comment | added | Russell McMahon | For interest - here is a helicopter marine immersion simulator intended for training oil rig crew prior to flights to platforms off the African coast. This is in a factory in China. When installed you get dropped in a swimming pool and optionally in the dark. I had a (dry) run. Even dry it was surprisingly scary. Helicopter immersion simulator The man in the orange shirt is the client. | |
| May 13, 2020 at 21:00 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackAviation/status/1260676258624659459 | ||
| May 13, 2020 at 20:15 | answer | added | Jpe61 | timeline score: 16 | |
| May 13, 2020 at 19:58 | history | became hot network question | |||
| May 13, 2020 at 17:59 | answer | added | John K | timeline score: 49 | |
| May 13, 2020 at 17:12 | comment | added | DJClayworth | I don't think it's a duplicate. That's about legality, this is about best practice. | |
| May 13, 2020 at 17:04 | history | reopened |
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| May 13, 2020 at 16:46 | comment | added | Ryan Mortensen | Maybe this should be reopened and closed as a duplicate, not opinion-based. I would expect nearly identical answers. aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/42236/… | |
| May 13, 2020 at 16:06 | history | edited | DJClayworth | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Tried to make this on topic
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| S May 13, 2020 at 11:18 | history | suggested | Abdullah is not an Amalekite | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
made the question less opinion-based, added tag "ditching". Also, maybe u could add some numbers, like by how much you're short of land?
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| May 13, 2020 at 11:01 | review | Reopen votes | |||
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| May 13, 2020 at 8:18 | history | closed |
60levelchange Bianfable GdD Jamiec♦ |
Opinion-based | |
| May 13, 2020 at 7:42 | comment | added | GdD | Have you thought about the size and weight of it, whether you are taking passengers or not? Could you manhandle it out of the airplane after ditching? | |
| May 13, 2020 at 6:36 | review | Close votes | |||
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| May 13, 2020 at 6:00 | history | asked | SurfandSky | CC BY-SA 4.0 |