Timeline for Do crew rest seats count towards the maximum allowed number of seats per flight attendant?
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| May 14, 2019 at 19:04 | comment | added | reirab | @DarrelHoffman Yes, they still need a full FA crew when flying half-empty. However, if they're flying completely empty on a ferry flight (e.g. to/from a maintenance base or similar,) then a cabin crew isn't needed. | |
| May 14, 2019 at 19:01 | comment | added | reirab | I would have to agree with David here. The regulation says "passenger seats." Crew seats are not passenger seats, regardless of what form they may take. Whether it's a jump seat, a blocked-off economy-style seat, a crew rest bunk, or a full-on flat-bed business-class seat that is blocked off for crew rest, a crew seat is a crew seat, not a passenger seat. | |
| May 14, 2019 at 17:49 | comment | added | Darrel Hoffman | So even when a plane flies half-empty, do they still need a full crew? (I know they generally try not to do that, but I've been on some pretty sparsely-seated flights before. Didn't think to count the FA's...) | |
| May 14, 2019 at 13:30 | comment | added | John K | No crew seats are crew seats. A passenger is a legally defined entity (fare payer) and can't legally sit in a crew seat. And in fact airlines separate crew from passengers in the weight and balance calculations. Crew are "built-in" you might say, to what is called "Basic Operating Weight", which is empty weight plus standard crew. | |
| May 14, 2019 at 13:20 | comment | added | RToyo | This is probably a dumb question, from a non-aviator, but would the pilot seat(s) be considered a passenger seat as well? Or is there specific language reserved for pilots? Would that same language cover crew seats? | |
| May 14, 2019 at 12:23 | comment | added | John K | I would say if the seats are in a zone placarded "crew rest area", or are outside of the cabin area pax normally sit, yes they can be designated crew seats. But if they are just two extras in the main cabin, that's a problem. If passengers COULD be sitting there, the seats have to be considered part of the passenger capacity. | |
| May 14, 2019 at 10:09 | comment | added | David Richerby | But it says "passenger seats" and these are crew seats. | |
| May 14, 2019 at 4:15 | comment | added | jwenting | indeed, deadheading crew count as passengers for the FA's primary mission: safety. | |
| May 14, 2019 at 3:29 | history | answered | John K | CC BY-SA 4.0 |