Timeline for Who logs Pilot-in-Command time with all automation, autopilot, auto throttle, FMS, Autoland doing the flying?
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| Aug 22, 2017 at 21:36 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackAviation/status/900109342707507200 | ||
| Aug 21, 2017 at 12:07 | comment | added | Romeo_4808N | The guy at the controls is still flying the plane; the AFCS is only doing what the pilot tells it to do; no autopilot or any other automation flies the airplane. This is necessary to understand to avoid becoming a smoking hole in the ground and plenty of pilots have killed themselves by running out of fuel, CFIT, etc simply because the autopilot or similar device designed to reduce workload said they could. | |
| Aug 21, 2017 at 11:32 | history | edited | Federico | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Aug 21, 2017 at 9:07 | comment | added | Federico | @mins and it is only getting worse. This stack has a serious problem. I posted on meta: aviation.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3327/1467 | |
| Aug 21, 2017 at 8:53 | comment | added | Radu094 | you log PIC because you are in command and legally responsible for everything that happens on that flight, not because you were pushing/pulling on some levers and buttons.. geez | |
| Aug 21, 2017 at 7:09 | history | edited | DeltaLima♦ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Aug 19, 2017 at 3:07 | comment | added | Bageletas | @Ron Beyer I thought (and I'm guessing the 4 downvoters too) that the question was sarcastically asking "why call anyone PIC if the plane flies itself" so my response was sort if tongue in cheek. If the OP can clarify I'd gladly delete my comment. | |
| Aug 18, 2017 at 20:37 | comment | added | mins | Already 4 downvotes for what seems a legitimate question... ?! | |
| Aug 18, 2017 at 19:45 | comment | added | Ron Beyer | @Bageletas I don't think its a question of calling themselves PIC at all, but whether the person logging PIC is always the captain, or it is the first officer who programmed the FMS and flipped the switches. There are two professionals up front, usually only one of which is considered PIC. The confusion of the OP is about who gets that designation considering automation is doing most of the work and the FO may be doing the programming. | |
| Aug 18, 2017 at 19:36 | history | edited | Ralph J♦ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Aug 18, 2017 at 19:34 | answer | added | Ralph J♦ | timeline score: 10 | |
| Aug 18, 2017 at 19:02 | comment | added | Bageletas | @Traveler can you turn on an FSM, climb a B737 to 1000ft, and turn on the autopilot, setup for an autoland, and some stuff you missed: follow all the FAA regulations, react to a single or dual engine flameout over NY, respond to TCAS alerts, and many unthinkable disasters? I can't, so I can accept that I sit in the back and the professional in the front can call themselves the PIC | |
| Aug 18, 2017 at 18:25 | comment | added | mongo | At my company, the senior crew member is always responsible PIC, unless stipulated prior to the flight. Company policy. Logging is governed by regulations, but responsibility by company policy and the regs. | |
| Aug 18, 2017 at 16:14 | comment | added | Ron Beyer | @Pondlife True, there are situations that both can log PIC, however on most commercial flights (flights with a First Officer, FMS, and AP), I'd say that 99% of the time only one person is PIC, the exception being training flights. | |
| Aug 18, 2017 at 16:12 | comment | added | Pondlife | @RonBeyer It may not be that simple. At least under US regulations both pilots could be logging PIC, for example. | |
| Aug 18, 2017 at 16:02 | history | edited | Pondlife |
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| Aug 18, 2017 at 15:58 | comment | added | Pondlife | Which country/regulations are you asking about? And this question is closely related, if you're asking about the US. | |
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| Aug 18, 2017 at 15:54 | comment | added | Ron Beyer | Whoever has designated themselves PIC for that flight, regardless of who is flying the plane. For example I can be PIC and never touch the controls. Usually the Captain is PIC. PIC is more than just doing the flying, they are the one taking responsibility for the flight, its safety, and its outcome. | |
| Aug 18, 2017 at 15:50 | history | asked | Traveler | CC BY-SA 3.0 |