Timeline for May aerobatics be performed over a controlled airport without getting a waiver?
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| Feb 12, 2017 at 4:08 | comment | added | NZKshatriya | @rmaddy I had just finished time keeping a speech competition. And let's just say that grammar and English usage skills were not up to par (this was a college level competition for poetry). I was a little bit miffed, sorry for getting on your, I sort of vented in the wrong place lol. | |
| Feb 12, 2017 at 0:34 | history | edited | rmaddy | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Feb 12, 2017 at 0:32 | comment | added | rmaddy | @NZKshatriya OK, point taken. Your use of "should" in your first comment through me off the point you were trying to make. I'll update the question to properly use "may" where I mistakenly used "can". | |
| Feb 12, 2017 at 0:27 | comment | added | NZKshatriya | @rmaddy sigh I was actually commenting on the improper usage of can in this situation. Can refers to one's ability to do something, while may refers to one's permission or right to do something. | |
| Feb 11, 2017 at 23:10 | comment | added | rmaddy | @NZKshatriya I'm only looking for the "can" part of the answer, not the "should". On what basis do you state that aerobatics can (legally) be performed above the lateral boundaries of the surface areas of Class B, Class C, Class D, or Class E airspace designated for an airport without any other specific permission? | |
| Feb 11, 2017 at 22:48 | comment | added | NZKshatriya | Can they, sure....you are completely capable of doing so......should you though???? | |
| Feb 9, 2017 at 23:23 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackAviation/status/829833230673203200 | ||
| Feb 9, 2017 at 22:40 | comment | added | rmaddy | @JonathanWalters I knew that statement would get some pushback. :) What I meant are examples where a group of pilots have been doing aerobatics above airports for years, with full knowledge of relevant authorities, and without any special permission beyond what is in the FARs. I am certainly not looking for one-off examples where a pilot "got away with it". | |
| Feb 9, 2017 at 22:17 | comment | added | J W | @rmaddy Citing examples of people that have done X or Y is not usually a good way of determining how to interpret the FARs. I could give you examples of old crop dusters doing loops and rolls in a C177 without a parachute or much regard for the prohibitions of §91.303. And the risk of a pilot getting busted generally depends on the legality of what is being done, which depends on what the regulations say and how they are interpreted. I think what you need is a legal interpretation, not examples of what has or has not been done. | |
| Feb 9, 2017 at 21:27 | comment | added | rmaddy | @RonBeyer True. So for this question I'll settle for precedent. Does anyone know of people that have regularly conducted aerobatics above a controlled airport without prior permission and no risk of being busted? | |
| Feb 9, 2017 at 21:17 | answer | added | Romeo_4808N | timeline score: 6 | |
| Feb 9, 2017 at 21:08 | comment | added | Ron Beyer | If you want a legal answer, you'll have to get that in an opinion letter from the FAA itself. I don't think there is any precedent set (rule clarifications). This usually starts with contacting your local FSDO directly. Unfortunately we can't give legal advise, nor would it stand up in a court. | |
| Feb 9, 2017 at 20:16 | comment | added | rmaddy | @J.Hougaard There's a difference between what I think it means and what it really means. I'm looking for a definitive, legal answer, not just what people think it means. If someone climbs over a class D airspace, for example, will they get busted if they do aerobatics there? | |
| Feb 9, 2017 at 20:12 | comment | added | JScarry | Sometimes the FARs are ambiguous, but in this case it’s clear. Since, lateral is not defined in 14 CFR §1, the AIM, or the Pilot/Controller Glossary you revert to the dictionary definition. The rule means exactly what it says. You can’t do acrobatics within the lateral boundaries of the airspace. | |
| Feb 9, 2017 at 20:12 | comment | added | 60levelchange | To me it seems like you answered your own question: "within the lateral boundaries of" has no implied altitude restriction. That term, in English, implies surface to outer space. So it would seem that aerobatics can't be performed above a class B, C, D, or E surface area at any altitude. | |
| Feb 9, 2017 at 19:51 | history | edited | mins | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
As controllers don't usually own the airport they work at, I assume it's a controlled airport :-)
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| Feb 9, 2017 at 19:49 | comment | added | rmaddy | @RonBeyer I understand that. I specifically stated at the start of my question that this is assuming no other specific permission. | |
| Feb 9, 2017 at 19:47 | comment | added | Ron Beyer | You can with a waiver, even on the airfield itself. A lot of airshows operate this way. | |
| Feb 9, 2017 at 19:02 | history | asked | rmaddy | CC BY-SA 3.0 |