Timeline for Have any passengers crashed planes?
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| Oct 3, 2015 at 23:19 | comment | added | radarbob | Some years ago a KC-135 crashed during an aborted takeoff. Turns out a civilian with zero flight experience was in the co-pilot seat. Totally against regulations of course, but there you are. The civilian did not cause the accident but there was no qualified pilot in the seat when it counted most. | |
| Oct 1, 2015 at 19:23 | history | edited | Danny Beckett | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Apr 3, 2015 at 1:40 | comment | added | raptortech97 | Do you count hijackings resulting in the hijacker crashing the plane? | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 1:06 | comment | added | Count Iblis | Passengers don't even need to enter the cockpit to create problems | |
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| Mar 31, 2015 at 14:12 | comment | added | kasperd | A distinction between cases where the pilot let a passenger take control and cases where a passenger takes control with force might be relevant. I recall four incidents a little more than a decade ago in which passengers took control of a plane and crashed it. All four incidents happened within a day. | |
| Mar 31, 2015 at 10:13 | answer | added | RedGrittyBrick | timeline score: 4 | |
| Mar 31, 2015 at 9:43 | comment | added | RedGrittyBrick | @trejder: AIUI there is a visual indication of the change in autopilot status (which isn't simply an all-automatic or all-manual choice). Wikipedia says " A silent indicator light came on to alert the pilots to this partial disengagement. The pilots, who had previously flown Russian-designed planes which had audible warning signals, apparently failed to notice it." See aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/390/… | |
| Mar 31, 2015 at 7:24 | comment | added | trejder | @cpast I'm more than sure, that there would be no trouble on-board and no crash at all, if pilots would be informed visually immediately after A/P was switched off. Their surprise (recorded) about plane movements clearly suggests, that they were very surprised and didn't know, what is going on. Therefore, I must again claim, that this particular air crash was IMHO much-much more based on design flaw and has merely nothing about passenger crashing a plane. But, that's just my opinion and you're free to disagree with it. | |
| Mar 31, 2015 at 7:22 | comment | added | trejder | @cpast I cannot address Airbus firmware or design issues, because this is not my area of expertise. And I can hardly address mentioned ACI episode, because I watched it about 5 or 6 years ago. But. from what I still recall from watching it, even if that was a design feature, the fact, that there was no visual indication, that A/P is disengaged, is an obvious feature or design flaw. And it sounds logic even too me, just a mere passenger. If something is on and it is so important, that entire flight safety depends on it, the I should be visually warned once that thing goes off. | |
| Mar 31, 2015 at 6:24 | comment | added | cpast | @trejder I don't believe that's correct. AFAIK, it was not a bug in firmware, it was an intentional design feature to disconnect the autopilot if the pilot was supplying control inputs that conflicted with the autopilot's (on the theory that the pilot probably knew what they were doing, and they didn't want to do what the A/P wanted to do, so the A/P should yield control). It didn't act like the crew expected, but it acted like it was designed to act. | |
| Mar 10, 2015 at 8:50 | comment | added | trejder | If I'm not mistaken, AFL593 crashed because of a bug in Airbus firmware which disconnected autopilot (without warning the pilot) after 2-3 strong yoke's moves, made by that kid. Kid did not turned off autopilot himself. Father (pilot) let his son to pilot the plane, only because he was 100% certain and sure, that kid will not actually pilot the plane, due to autopilot being engaged. That was the conclusion from mentioned ACI episode. In this case, I wouldn't call AFL593 an example of passenger crashing commercial plane at all. | |
| Jan 1, 2015 at 21:13 | comment | added | Cary Swoveland | I was interested and did watch other accounts of the crash. "Passenger Who Landed a Plane" isn't quite accurate, unfortunately. | |
| Jan 1, 2015 at 20:12 | comment | added | Danny Beckett | @CarySwoveland Sorry about that, the link I watched "Mayday! The Passenger Who Landed A Plane" on seems to have gone down. I've replaced the link with a different instance of a passenger landing a plane. If you can find it online, it's well worth a watch. It was unrelated to the popular air crash show Mayday. I believe it was BBC, though it could've been any UK TV channel. | |
| Jan 1, 2015 at 20:08 | history | edited | Danny Beckett | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Dec 31, 2014 at 21:08 | comment | added | Cary Swoveland | Please fix the links. | |
| Nov 17, 2014 at 8:39 | comment | added | Ben | Sorry Danny you may have misunderstood me. Your question is a good one as it has happened at least once. But the first line of this question says "noting that pilots are permitted to allow passengers to fly". Which is not entirely the case - they're only permitted to fly if it is a private flight, not a commercial one. | |
| Nov 15, 2014 at 1:07 | comment | added | Danny Beckett | @Ben As I mentioned, it's happened at least once. I wanted to know if there were any other recorded accidents like it. | |
| Nov 14, 2014 at 10:16 | comment | added | Ben | Passengers are not allowed to fly a commercial plane. The question you reference says that a passenger can take the controls on a private flight only. | |
| Apr 8, 2014 at 22:42 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/#!/StackAviation/status/453664136942346240 | ||
| Apr 8, 2014 at 18:31 | comment | added | Danny Beckett | @Farhan The link is to a recent documentary: Mayday! The Passenger Who Landed A Plane | |
| Apr 8, 2014 at 18:29 | comment | added | Farhan | @DannyBeckett The second link you have is a song? | |
| Apr 8, 2014 at 17:22 | comment | added | Jae Carr | I wonder if this questions would be more appropriately titled "are passengers allowed to fly commercial flights under the direction of the flight crew?" The title, as it stands, is clearly answered by the question itself. | |
| Apr 8, 2014 at 15:47 | answer | added | Thunderstrike | timeline score: 7 | |
| Apr 8, 2014 at 15:39 | answer | added | dawg | timeline score: 7 | |
| Apr 8, 2014 at 2:08 | comment | added | Danny Beckett | @fooot Yep, that's the one! | |
| Apr 8, 2014 at 1:54 | answer | added | Lnafziger | timeline score: 14 | |
| Apr 8, 2014 at 1:47 | history | edited | Lnafziger |
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| Apr 8, 2014 at 1:41 | history | asked | Danny Beckett | CC BY-SA 3.0 |