Timeline for Can you fly a glider in a cloud on primary instruments?
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| Sep 30, 2021 at 8:01 | history | protected | user14897 | ||
| Sep 29, 2021 at 20:18 | comment | added | quiet flyer | The idea of a pilot willing to use a compass that could be carried in the pocket, not rigidly mounted to the aircraft, as the sole cloud flying aid (plus yaw string and other basic instruments) seems utterly fantastical. Plus I highly doubt compasses (compii?) ever were "sealed" (covered), only actual gyro instruments. Since everyone knew most compasses were pretty much useless in cloud anyway. And you might need it to get home even in good visual conditions. But yes, in the "old days", cloud flying relying on the turn rate indicator as the only gyro instrument was not uncommon -- | |
| Sep 29, 2021 at 18:18 | comment | added | quiet flyer | The basic answer should be "no, normally, not safely." But some gliders do have a fairly safe "benign spiral mode" that may save the pilot's butt if he trims the glider a certain way and takes his hands off the stick and the air is not too turbulent. Depends on all sorts of variables like cg of glider, amount of friction in control linkages, etc. | |
| Sep 29, 2021 at 18:16 | comment | added | quiet flyer | I've posted to ASE many times about the formerly widespread practice of flying gliders in cloud using a turn rate indicator as the only gyroscopic flight instrument. I've even done it myself a few times (but in this case the t.r.i. was actually a recently-designed peizoelectric device) w/ both sailplanes and hang gliders, and I've also done it in several light airplanes including Ces 120 w/ the vintage turn rate indicator as the only gyroscopic flight instrument. Basically, what pilots call "partial panel" flying. But, that's not at all the same as having only primary instruments. | |
| Sep 29, 2021 at 17:37 | answer | added | Fernando Lichtschein | timeline score: 0 | |
| Jan 30, 2018 at 21:18 | answer | added | BillBan | timeline score: 5 | |
| Sep 5, 2017 at 16:40 | answer | added | Peter Holloway | timeline score: 7 | |
| Jun 5, 2017 at 6:15 | answer | added | user3587888 | timeline score: 1 | |
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| Apr 11, 2016 at 23:16 | answer | added | Craig K | timeline score: 10 | |
| Apr 11, 2016 at 16:23 | history | edited | cvr | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Apr 11, 2016 at 12:15 | answer | added | hunglider | timeline score: 5 | |
| Apr 11, 2016 at 12:05 | comment | added | yankeekilo | I did cloud flying or "Blindflug" as passenger in a glider with my father in the 80s, who actually had a special license for that at the time (those are not issued any more). We entered a nice Cu and came out on top a few minutes later with a Blanik with a turn-and-slip indicator. Pretty cool, but: After a few seconds, you loose any orientation whatsoever. I could not even tell which way we were turning. So: No way, you need at least a turn-and-slip indicator, and then proper training to interpret and react correctly. | |
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| Apr 10, 2016 at 16:05 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackAviation/status/719194612754161664 | ||
| Apr 10, 2016 at 16:01 | answer | added | Peter Kämpf | timeline score: 33 | |
| Apr 10, 2016 at 15:56 | answer | added | D. Clayton | timeline score: 15 | |
| Apr 10, 2016 at 15:04 | comment | added | Simon | Why would you try to keep an open mind on something that usually kills people? The fact that you are required to wear a parachute, even when trained, should answer your question. | |
| Apr 10, 2016 at 14:58 | comment | added | cvr | There seems to be strong emotions and funny expressions involved. Sometimes this hides the true situation. It is not advisable, but is it likely to keep you alive (or at least not having to see your precious glider in parts while you land in a parachute). // I definitely discourage anyone from trying, I have not tried myself. But even so, I try to keep an open mind on the subject. | |
| Apr 10, 2016 at 14:52 | comment | added | mins | @Simon: This opinion is shared on this PPRuNe thread: "it rates with storm chasing and hand feeding sharks on the common sense scale". | |
| Apr 10, 2016 at 14:45 | comment | added | Simon | Flying in IMC for non-rated pilots, even with all the instruments available, is very dangerous and has killed many people. I can't see why gliders would be an exception. | |
| Apr 10, 2016 at 14:36 | answer | added | Mike Sowsun | timeline score: 10 | |
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| Apr 10, 2016 at 14:23 | history | asked | cvr | CC BY-SA 3.0 |