Questions tagged [sid-star]
A SID (Standard Instrument Departure) is a procedure for departing an airport and joining the airway structure. A STAR (Standard Terminal Arrival Route) is a procedure from the airway structure onto an approach.
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Why are most of KBOS's instrument departures and arrivals jet-only?
I was looking through the big book o' KBOS instrument procedures when I noticed that almost all of the airport's SIDs and STARs are marked "NOTE: For turbojets only" or some variation ...
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What is the difference between RNAV-Terminal usage waypoints vs RNAV-STAR waypoints?
What is the difference between [MM604 (or) MM615] vs [RADAB (or) DAMAD] in the STAR attached below
When seen using Enroute Chart
The description for RADAB or DAMAD is:
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What is really meant by max 240 kt, 220 kt and 185 kt in the picture of Jeppesen chart?
What is really meant by max 240 kt, 220 kt and 185 kt in the picture of Jeppesen chart? What I don't understand is: are the speed limits for waypoints or for routes between waypoints. If speed ...
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Should I set the runway heading to the course box on G1000 before takeoff or should I set the SID course I will intercept after takeoff?
To what degree should I set the course box on the G1000 screen? Runway heading or SID course? Because although the runway heading is 044 degrees in the SID chart I shared below, the SID departure ...
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SID revisions numbers
I have noticed most instrument departures have a number after them. TRUKN2 GAP7 CITY3 for example at KSFO. Do the numbers represent a revision of say TRUNK1 GAP6 CITY3 for maybe a change in and ...
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Is my procedure correct for simulated flight approach using this IAP after complete STAR?
I usually "fly" with flightsimulator (FlightGear, because is O.S. and freeware).
I try to make the fly real as possible, and I try to use IAP, is this procedure correct to
approach RWY 28 of ...
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What does the letter "H" on the upper side of ADANA word and mean?
As you can see on the STAR chart of Adana, there is a letter "H" with a black background for the VOR sign's line. I can't find the meaning.
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For what reason are the published segment altitudes (circled in red) relevevant and ever used by flight crews flying this STAR?
On the HLYWD ONE Standard Terminal Arrival (STAR) into KLAX (Los Angeles International Airport) there are altitudes (circled in red on the images below) published on its "Transition" routes ...
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What is RNAV transition and what is the difference between RNAV transition and RNAV STAR
Can someone explain what is RNAV transition and what is the difference between RNAV transition and RNAV STAR. Because sometimes both types of procedures are published for an airport and I don't know ...
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How strict is the relationship between ATC departure gates and SIDs?
I'm training to be an ATC on VATSIM, and the term "valid departure gate" is tossed about a lot, but not (to my perception) defined. Googling "departure gate" drowns me in ...
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Why would there be two RNAV waypoints co-located with a VOR?
Similar to this question but more so!
The Enroute H-5 chart shows two RNAV waypoints over Spinner VORTAC (SPI): SOHOW and USIRE. Neither waypoint appears on the Low IFR charts, nor on the VFR charts.
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Can I fly a STAR (standard terminal arrival route) if I can't maintain the minimum speed for it?
I fly a single-engine airplane not capable of more than 120 KIAS. I'd love to fly a STAR (standard terminal arrival route) into my local airport (US), but want to make sure I fully understand the STAR ...
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Why RNAV SIDs and STARs are RNAV 1 instead of RNP 1?
I am studying for my CFII check-ride and I was wondering to know why SIDs and STARs are not RNP 1 but RNAV 1?
Let's start with the following two definitions
RNP - Required Navigation Performance: It's ...
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Why are some points shown on a STAR but not attached to the route?
I'm looking at the SERFR4 arrival into San Francisco. There's two waypoints, STOKD and MAKRS, which are shown on the plate but aren't actually connected to the route. Can anyone help explain why ...
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Why are planes flying in a zigzag path over Long Island when approaching JFK?
Every time I've flown into JFK Airport from the east I've noticed that the plane takes a weird zigzag path over Long Island. Why is this? Is it because of noise laws?
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What deviation from the official flight path is allowed during takeoff and landing?
Our local airport is currently going through CAP1616 and permanent airspace change consultations.
Considering take off and landing flight paths:
what degree of deviation is allowed from the official ...
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Is there a database from which I can retrieve the Expected Crossing Altitudes of a Departure or Arrival Procedure?
I am stuyding FAA's Coded Instrument Flight Procedures (CIFP) file which uses ARINC 424 digital format to code its data. I noticed that only mandatory crossing altitudes and speeds are included in the ...
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Is the Common Route, either of a SID or a STAR, related to the Runway Transition (climb phase) or the Enroute Transition (enroute phase)?
Based on this question ("What are the 'parts' of a SID procedure?"), I would like to ask for clarification concerning the role of the Common Route in a SID.
As far as I have understood, the most ...
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How to know that single engine aeroplanes are not allowed to depart on the TETAN SID?
I'm studying for my IR exam and came across another tricky AIP question.
Which of the following statements about the TETAN 1A standard departure chart are correct?
Single engine aeroplanes ...
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What is the minimum altitude over Egmond aan Zee when landing at Schiphol?
I live in Egmond aan Zee which is about 36 km flight distance from Schiphol.
It seems that aircraft fly over Egmond when there is a southerly wind so they can make a landing approach to Polderbaan ...
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How do flight procedure designers decide when to assign an altitude constraint to a waypoint?
I am studying procedure design manuals (TERPS, PBN 8260.58A manual, ICAO PANS-OPS 8168 manual etc.) and I haven't found any guidelines concerning altitude constraints that can be imposed on a waypoint....
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Flight plan departure procedures vs real life departure procedures
In the flight plans there are included departure procedures. However, sometimes something can change eg. different runway is assigned by ATC and then departure procedures in the flight plan is invalid,...
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Why does FAA not include certain SIDs and STARs in its CIFP file, even though they are regularly used in flight planning?
I was correlating the instrument flight procedures found in flight plans from 1st April 2019 with the ones included in FAA's CIFP database. I noticed that in those flight plans there are some SIDs and ...
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Has FAA published any A-RNP STAR or A-RNP / RNP AR DP SID?
After reading FAA's Performance Based Navigation Strategy 2016, I tried to search for already published Departure Procedures of RNP specification. I could only find some that require RNP-1, even ...
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How do I figure out the right pronunciation for transitions?
For example, the CNERY transition,* how exactly is this pronounced? On the VATSIM community, it seems there's a huge debate on what this is called. Some people say CONNERY, and some people say SCENERY....
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What is the purpose of the hold at JNC on the Grand Junction Seven SID?
There is a hold on the Grand Junction Seven SID.
I would expect it is there so that ATC could hold you until you reach the enroute MEA but there is no written reference.
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Does a subsequent crossing restriction supersede earlier crossing restrictions?
Does a subsequent crossing restriction supersede earlier crossing restrictions?
Here's an example.
While flying the MIP4 arrival into KLGA, you receive the expected instruction to cross MARRC at ...
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Why does obstacle clearance area splay outward instead of being a rectangle?
I am having trouble figuring out the logic behind the way that obstacle clearance areas are constructed. Take, for example, a departure procedure where Initial Climb Area is defined in TERPS (section ...
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What are the "parts" of a SID procedure?
In the ARINC 424 (downloadable from this link), the following information about SIDs procedures is given in the section 5.7 Route Type (RT TYPE):
As you can see, it appears to me that a procedure is ...
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Anybody know the reason for the ‘Star Wars’ themed STARs into KATL?
There are new RNAV STARs for arrival into Atlanta Class Bravo for KATL. Does anybody know the reason a Star Wars theme was chosen for waypoint names eg TYFTR, WOKIE, NWHPE, etc?
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How is a flight routed from the last waypoint of a STAR to final?
If you look at a flight plan on FlightAware, the last code will be a STAR. Take a flight into JFK, for example, that uses LENDY6: the last waypoint of LENDY6 is the LGA VOR/DME at FL190. If the plane ...
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Symbology on standard terminal arrival (STAR) charts: T-ended vs arrow-ended lines?
I was looking at the STARs at KPHX. The ARLIN FOUR arrival here has T-ended lines between the BLYTHE VOR and SCOLE, and between SCOLE and CALIE fixes. It also has arrow-ended lines between CALIE and ...
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Does a turbojet aircraft restriction on a SID or STAR also apply to turbofan aircraft?
Just wondering since I've never seen turbofan aircraft mentioned on SID or STAR charts, and many airliners are turbofan nowadays.
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If a SID chart says "GPS... required", can the plane use a different GNSS?
This US/FAA standard instrument departure says "Note: GPS or DME/DME/IRU required."
If the aircraft could tune into a different GNSS like GLONASS, could the pilot still legally fly the departure ...
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What does "ATS climb gradient" mean?
On a Jeppesen SID chart, the climb gradient is not standard, because it's greater than 3.3%. What specifically does the ATS (7.4%) climb gradient mean?
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"Cancel altitude restriction." Under ICAO rules, does it cancel all altitude restrictions on a SID or STAR chart?
Let's say there are altitude restrictions at 5000ft, 11000ft, 15000ft, 18000ft on a SID chart. While you were following the SID (under ICAO rules), the Departure tells you "Climb 12000ft, cancel ...
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Need help to clarify the terms "arrival", "departure", "approach", "terminal" and "transition" fix for US STAR and SIDS
I find it a bit difficult to clarify, while consulting the US published STAR and SID published charts, which fixes are designated as arrival, departure, approach, terminal and transition.
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Why are some US STAR fixes/waypoints included in FAA's legacy files but not in FAA's published STAR procedures?
I have noticed that some US STAR procedures include (slightly) different number of waypoints, depending on which source material is consulted. Take for example the CAMRN4 STAR and its corresponding ...
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How to interpret the published altitudes for each of US STAR procedures?
I have been studying the STAR procedures, as published by FAA, and I am trying to understand the way that the altitudes are defined for each fix/route. Take, for example, CAMRN4 of JFK.
I see the MEA ...
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Does TRACON airspace override Class B airspace in terms of control authority when controlling approach or departure procedures?
This is a simple schematic description of Class Airspace.
My understanding is that Class B has strict rules, specific lower and upper altitude limits and requires clearance to enter. However, I have ...
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How to select a SID during the planning stage?
During the planning stage of an IFR flight how to choose the correct SID for your route in an airport with multiple runways and multiple SIDs? and how to predict the runway you will be going to use?
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Is it always the case that any one STAR leads to all the runways?
I was making an addon for a flight simulator and I am having a problem figuring this scenario out:
Let's take CYOW - Macdonald Cartier international.
It has 6 runways: 04, 07, 14, 22, 25, 32.
It has ...
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Are you cleared to next altitude when you get "direct" while flying SID?
Let's say you just took off from the TACOMA airport and were flying ATOME TWO DEP. ARRIE transition. The Seattle tower instructs you "direct to ZUMBI" and to contact Departure, and you contact ...
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What altitude should you cross DBIGE at on the PALLEY FIVE Departure (SID)?
While at Henderson Executive airport you receive an IFR clearance containing the phraseology "Climb Via the PALLEY FIVE Departure, Coaldale Transition" and you receive no additional altitude ...
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Where can I find a database of SIDs, STARs and approaches?
I am investigating SIDs, STARs and approach procedures. I have a couple of questions about it:
Is there a way to get SID, STAR, and approach data from airports around the world? I don't mean from the ...
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Does a "climb and maintain" instruction override a "climb via the SID" one?
This question pertains to the SNSHN THREE SID out of Ontario, CA (KONT).
Let's say I was originally cleared to "climb via the SNSHN departure except maintain 8,000". Then the clearance is amended ...
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How to guess the actual name of the SID, waypoint, etc., if you have never seen it when told by ATC?
Sometimes it's very tricky as those identifiers are not normal words. For example how to find a way-point you have to go direct to if it's not on the flight plan? SID and STARS can be reviewed before ...
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Why did the MSA for Taipei (RTCP) change?
I got a question about the Minimum Sector Altitude (MSA) on Jeppesen arrival plate (RCTP 20-2). The MSA circle was divided into three sectors with three altitude before (2008, top image), but I found ...
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Are 'climb via a SID' instructions actually used in the US?
In the USA, a departing aircraft is instructed to climb:
to flight level and maintain, or
via standard instrument departure (SID)
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What does this NOTAM about a STAR mean?
When planning an IFR Flight into KTPA using the BRDGE 8 STAR, I saw this NOTAM:
!FDC 7/5458 (KTPA A1015/17) TPA STAR TAMPA INTL, TAMPA, FL BRDGE EIGHT
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