1
$\begingroup$

In ARINC-424 17 specification, under 7.2.6 Terminal Waypoints subsection A the "Airport/Heliport or Runway/Helipad related Terminal Waypoints" naming conventions are described. It describes the steps to be taken in order to avoid duplicates.

For example: a final approach fix (FAF in short) on runway 36 for example, will be named FF36 which works either for "Single Approach Procedure" or approaches that share a "common waypoint". If the common waypoint idea can't be applied, then the second letter becomes the route type described in section 5.7. So the FAF for a VOR approach on 36 will be FV36, for an ILS on 36 FI36 and so on and so forth.

But here lies the problem (which unfortunately I am currently facing): what if there are more than one approaches of the same type on the same runway that can't share the same points? I have 2 VOR approaches where all points IAF, IF, FAF etc. do not coincide. According to the spec:

waypoint identifiers will be unique only for the airport specified; a waypoint identifier used in a terminal area cannot be repeated in that terminal area

I could get away with it as there are is no parallel runway and I can start adding numbers (eg FV361, FV362 etc.) and it won't make any significant difference as these points will be used for simulation purposes and I have a couple of ways to "cheat". Though knowing what happens in reality will add to the simulation realism.

$\endgroup$
4
  • $\begingroup$ Which airport is this? $\endgroup$
    – Bianfable
    Commented Sep 7, 2022 at 8:48
  • $\begingroup$ @Bianfable it's LGEL but unfortunately I can't provide you with maps as the one of the 2 approaches in question is in military AIP and is not public. The other can be found here (link will most probably expire in the next AIRAC update). Let me know if you find the one published helpful and I will update the question. $\endgroup$ Commented Sep 7, 2022 at 8:52
  • $\begingroup$ OK, my navigation data for LGEL shows 3 VOR approaches: VOR Y RWY 36L, VOR A RWY 36L and VOR W RWY 36R. Not sure if any of these is the military procedure you mean. I could write an answer containing the names of the CD and FD waypoints on these procedures. Would that help? $\endgroup$
    – Bianfable
    Commented Sep 7, 2022 at 8:58
  • $\begingroup$ Duh I forgot. They are doing works and they converted a taxiway to runway and named it 36L. Sure the names for VOR Y RWY 36L and VOR A RWY 36L will be helpful as long as they don't have coinciding points. I only have VOR Y not VOR A so I can't tell immediately if it will help. $\endgroup$ Commented Sep 7, 2022 at 9:11

1 Answer 1

3
$\begingroup$

Based on your example of LGEL, I found 3 VOR approaches in my navigation database with the following points:

Approach Cx Name Fx Name Mx Name
D36LY CD3LY FD3LY MD3LY
D36RW CD36 FD36 MD36
VORA CD36 FD36 MD36

As you can see, the VOR W RWY 36 R approach (where you also linked the chart) uses the normal naming convention for a runway 36. The VOR A is the circle to land approach using the same waypoints. The interesting one is the VOR Y RWY 36 L approach, which uses different waypoints. The naming now uses only the first digit of the runway number (3 instead of 36), followed by L for 36L and then the letter of the approach (here Y).

This allowed me to search my navigation database for similarly named waypoints and sure enough I found a good example, where there are 2 approaches to the same runway using a different waypoint at LIRP (Pisa San Giusto):

Approach Cx Name Fx Name Mx Name
D04LZ CD0LZ FD04L MD04L
S04LY CD0LY FD04L MD04L

As you can see, both approaches use the same final approach fix (Fx) and missed approach fix (Mx), but a different final approach course fix (Cx) using the naming convention described above.

The same convention can also be applied when there is no left/right/center. E.g. EBBR (Brussels) uses Cx waypoints CD25Y and CD25Z for runway 25.

My copy of the ARINC 424 standard does not describe this convention, but apparently this is what Jeppesen uses.

$\endgroup$
2
  • $\begingroup$ Ah indeed this is ingenious. +1 from me. I hope you don't mind if I wait for 1 day before accepting. I'd like to avoid discouraging someone else from answering, if they have another bit of information to add -though I doubt it :). $\endgroup$ Commented Sep 7, 2022 at 9:36
  • 1
    $\begingroup$ @SteliosAdamantidis Sure, no problem. Maybe someone will find where this is actually documented... $\endgroup$
    – Bianfable
    Commented Sep 7, 2022 at 9:39

You must log in to answer this question.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged .