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There are some cases where a pilot may not be able to reach ATC directly due to lack of power or being below the radio horizon:

  1. On a handheld backup radio
  2. After a forced landing
  3. Over open water
  4. In high terrain

What is the proper process and phraseology to request an airborne relay via an aircraft that can hear both you and ATC?

Likewise, what is the proper process and phraseology to provide such a relay?

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From the other side of the mic, there is no set phraseology for this situation. The closest thing I can find is in Section 4, IFR, of the 7110.65:

4–4–2 Clearance Prefix
a. Prefix a clearance, information, or a request for information which will be relayed to an aircraft through a non-ATC facility by stating "A-T-C clears," "A-T-C advises," or "A-T-C requests."
b. Flight service stations and ARTCC Flight Data Units must prefix a clearance with the appropriate phrase: "ATC clears," "ATC advises," etc.

Besides that, the general "exercise best judgement" provision of 1–1–1 applies and I would use plain language. In my experience, this often sounds like:

ATC: Cherokee 345, Podunk Approach, you got time for a request?
N12345: Go ahead.
ATC: I'm trying to get ahold of a Skyhawk on this frequency, Skyhawk 54321, can you reach out and see if they can hear you?
N12345: Wilco.
N12345: Skyhawk 54321, this is Cherokee 12345, how do you hear?
[silence]
N12345: Yeah, Podunk, they can hear me.
ATC: Thank you, can you tell them that the Podunk altimeter is 29.92 and if they keep coming another ten miles I should be able to contact them?
N12345: Wilco.
N12345: Skyhawk 54321, Podunk advises that the altimeter is 29.92 and reception should be better in ten miles.


I don't believe there is standard phraseology provided for pilots in this situation either; a quick search of the AIM didn't show anything useful.

As you can see from my example, in order to be an airborne relay, the best thing is to relate what was said as close to verbatim as you can. Tossing in an "ATC advises" at the front of transmission won't hurt.

In order to request an airborne relay, I would guess it's probably best to start with request for a radio check, whether on your last assigned ATC frequency or on 121.5:

You: All stations, N54321 on 121.5, radio check.
DAL: GUUUAAAARRDDD!! Guard! Guard guard guard! YER ON GUARD!
N12345: N54321, this is N12345, I hear you loud and clear on guard.
You: Thank you, can you please let Podunk Center know that I landed in a field, everything is okay and nothing is on fire?

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I don't know if anything I did was proper, but I did just this sort of thing when I was bush flying in a Cessna 180 on floats in Northern Ontario in the early 1990s, and was forced down by a rough running engine (that had a failing cylinder) on an uninhabited lake, with two customers on board (I was bringing out two lawyers(!), on a fishing trip, from a remote cabin about 5 miles away from my landing spot). In my case it was to relay a message to my base, because although I was 80 miles from civilization, things weren't serious, yet.

It was a nice sunny May morning. It wasn't quite an emergency and my main goal was to contact my base to come pick us up, not trigger a formal official rescue operation. The lake I landed on was part of the same outfitter's camp network, and there was a very convenient dock, from which a trail led to another lake, with a couple of the outfitter's fishing boats ready for use.

So, I sent my passengers (who seemed to be amused by the whole situation) fishing while I tried to raise passing airplanes I could hear in the distance on unicom 122.8 and on 126.7. But no joy. Now what to do... set off the ELT? Then I noticed a contrail overhead and thought "I wonder..." knowing that airlines routinely monitor guard when over sparsely settled areas.

I broadcast a PAN PAN PAN call, with my registration, on guard, 121.5. To my amazement, after a few tries a Canadian Airlines flight, the contrail above me, responded and offered help. I was able to have them contact my base on the unicom frequency and advise my location, that all were well, and that we needed rescue due to mechanical problems, before the Cessna's meagre comm radio transmitter faded out for the airliner. I could listen to the airliner talking to base on 122.8 on the airplane's other comm and knew that help was on the way (the air service manager was suspicious it was some kind of practical joke initially).

My boss showed up with the Beaver about 5 hours later to fly us out, and I went back in the next day to help the air service's mechanic remove the engine and fly it out for overhaul.

I took the pic below while preparing a bipod from pine poles to lift the engine, using a come-along. The mechanic is sitting in a boat we set across the floats so he could work. The Beaver showed up late in the afternoon and we manhandled the O-470 into the Beaver by dragging it up poles into the cabin door using the come-along. We flew the rebuilt engine back in about 2 weeks later and reinstalled it, and I flew it the rest of the season.

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    $\begingroup$ Great story, and a good answer highlighting that life, (and aviation) isn't scripted. Phraseology aside, the primary purpose of communication is to... communicate. Sometime concise plain English is the best choice. $\endgroup$ Dec 5, 2021 at 0:34
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    $\begingroup$ Thanks. Funny thing was I knew ATC (Toronto Centre, which covers a large area into north eastern Ontario and probably the control tower at an airport about 100 miles away) would have heard the airline's part of the communication and I expected to get an inquiry from Transport Canada asking what happened, but never did. As my boss arrived in the Beaver, he announced he had some fuel for me - he thought I'd landed because was low on gas. I said "I have lots of fuel Bob. A cylinder was coming off." (hold down studs had failed). He said "Ohhh Sh***t". Fortunately it was on 122.8. $\endgroup$
    – John K
    Dec 5, 2021 at 1:59
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This is an exchange summarizing what I’ve seen in videos, but I don’t have a source to prove that it is correct (if any such source even exists):

N12345: Any Aircraft, N12345, request relay to Podunk Center

ABC678: N12345, ABC678, go ahead for relay

N12345: ABC678, N12345, relay [message]

ABC678: ABC678 copies N12345 [message]

N12345: Readback correct, N12345

ABC678: Podunk, ABC678, did you copy that?

Podunk: Podunk copies N12345 [message]

ABC678: Readback correct, ABC678

Note that this assumes all three are using the same frequency, so Podunk should be able to hear ABC678 and copy their readback. If they were on different frequencies for some reason (or if Podunk missed part of the message), the relay would have to repeat it.

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