# Why do planes not employ a non-technological banking indicator? [duplicate]

I apologise if this is a very daft question with an obvious answer.

I've been enjoying Air Crash Investigation episodes and there have been a few where the pilots, through differing training or faulty instruments, assume they're banking in one direction and try to correct it only to make the problem worse.

I understand it's difficult to get a read of orientation when in an airplane, especially with low visibility or darkness for example so my daft question is why don't they employ something like a marble in a tube across the dash which could clearly indicate banking direction without technology/sensors etc?

Even reading the question back it seems absurd, but part of me thinks there might be an interesting answer.

• It's not daft; does this answer your question? Can we replace an attitude indicator with a ball half full of liquid?
– user14897
Jul 19, 2021 at 19:36
• That’s a slip indicator, is it not?
– Frog
Jul 19, 2021 at 19:37
• – user14897
Jul 19, 2021 at 19:44
• @ymb1 Absolutely fascinating, thank you. I don't have enough maths and physics knowledge to fully understand but it really is interesting. Can I ask what would happen to a marble on a flat level upon banking or would that be a separate question / answered many times already? Jul 19, 2021 at 20:00
• Check this out. Bob Hoover answers your question. youtu.be/V9pvG_ZSnCc Jul 19, 2021 at 21:06

## 1 Answer

Have you noticed that when you are in an airliner, and it banks into a turn, that the liquid in your drink stays parallel to the floor, and other than a sensation of maybe rolling a bit, you can't tell you're in a turn if you can't see outside? In a maneuvering airplane, centrifugal forces from turning, and gravity, create a net force that is always perpendicular to the floor. So the "down" you feel is always down relative to the airplane's floor, not relative to the real "down", the ground below.

A physical inclinometer like you describe won't work while moving because of those forces, unless the airplane is skidding sideways, which it normally isn't. Airplanes actually use such an inclinometer, but it's used for detecting that skidding motion, which is bad to have because flying sideways is inefficient.

The only thing that can indicate where the earth actually is, while the airplane is moving around, is a gyro, so instruments that indicate bank and pitch angles, by presenting a virtual horizon for the pilot to use when he/she can't see outside, depend on gyros, either mechanical or electronic (using lasers).

The struggle for the pilot is the conflict that occurs in the inner ear when it senses motions that aren't being confirmed by the visual picture (an outside horizon) except for the instrument indications. Unless well trained to ignore your head and trust the instruments you see with your eyes totally, you get dizzy and disoriented, and it can get so bad that you lose control, like what happened to Kennedy.