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Air traffic controlling is a significant deal when it comes to air forces. If a stealth aircraft like the F22 is almost invisible as said, it has cross section of very small metal ball. Then, how does US Navy/Air Force see their own aircraft in the air.

Possibly GPS/datalink?

As often said, stealth are not invisible but harder to detect, even then it will create huge problems for operating airforce to effectively see thier own aircrafts in the air.

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    $\begingroup$ Perhaps they just turn their transponders on for non-combat operations? $\endgroup$
    – jamesqf
    Nov 18 '20 at 17:54
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    $\begingroup$ That is my question, are transponders enough? $\endgroup$ Nov 18 '20 at 17:59
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    $\begingroup$ Not a duplicate, but related: aviation.stackexchange.com/q/14373/7532 $\endgroup$
    – Ralph J
    Nov 18 '20 at 18:09
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    $\begingroup$ ADS-b out would be enough. $\endgroup$
    – Dean F.
    Nov 18 '20 at 18:17
  • $\begingroup$ There are some unofficial stories from the Gulf War relating to this. One of them tells of an F-15 pilot who saw a F-117 whizzing past while his radar screen remained blank. $\endgroup$ Nov 20 '20 at 2:16
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Like most military aircraft, the F-22 has a military equivalent of a transponder, an IFF system (Wikipedia):

Identification, friend or foe (IFF) is a radar-based identification system designed for command and control. It uses a transponder that listens for an interrogation signal and then sends a response that identifies the broadcaster. It enables military and civilian air traffic control interrogation systems to identify aircraft, vehicles or forces as friendly and to determine their bearing and range from the interrogator.

Depending on mission profile the F-22 may also carry a radar cross section (RCS) enhancer to hide its stealth capabilities and make it more visible on radar.

Usually the main system for creating situational awareness during military operations and training is the Link 16 military tactical datalink. This system is carried by all modern NATO military aircraft, though F-22 will be getting the full feature Link 16 system including transmit functionality during 2021 . Link 16 also utilized by other branches of the military forces.

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    $\begingroup$ @manassehkatz-Moving2Codidact IFF still works in an F22 $\endgroup$
    – Mast
    Nov 19 '20 at 8:33
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    $\begingroup$ Oh, better start reading the articles I reference with more care. I will update the answer in a bit. $\endgroup$
    – Jpe61
    Nov 19 '20 at 9:01
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When flying non-combat missions, many low-observability aircraft are fitted with radar reflectors.

Here is a photo of an F-22 Raptor with a Radar Reflector fitted to it. That little tin can increases the RCS one hundred-fold! F-22 Radar Reflector highlighted

The role of the Radar Reflector is two-fold. For one thing, it makes the plane visible to other aircraft and to ground stations via radar. Secondly, it denies adversaries the opportunity to test methods of detecting the stealth aircraft.

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    $\begingroup$ Can it be removed during flight? $\endgroup$
    – lejonet
    Nov 19 '20 at 19:50
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    $\begingroup$ RCS enhancer is not jettisonable. $\endgroup$
    – Jpe61
    Nov 19 '20 at 20:33
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    $\begingroup$ What's inside the tin? $\endgroup$
    – stevec
    Nov 21 '20 at 1:19
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    $\begingroup$ @stevec: It is empty, designed to function as a corner reflector but with less drag. $\endgroup$
    – dotancohen
    Nov 21 '20 at 8:37
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    $\begingroup$ I'm having trouble with your statement "it's empty", when in fact you do not know if it actually is. The device may consist of an outer shell and internal reflective structure, it might even contain electronics. I guess I should formulate a question about this. $\endgroup$
    – Jpe61
    Nov 24 '20 at 10:54
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A stealth aircraft isn't actually invisible to radar. It's just harder for current radars to see stealthy aircraft at longer distances. This gives a stealthy aircraft the element of surprise against an enemy. So at a long-range a stealthy aircraft radar signature will be a lot smaller than a regular one perhaps the size of a small bird which will get ignored.

However, a small bird flying at Mach one will probably give the game away, lol.

It's always been the case with military attack aircraft in that he who shoots first, usually wins.

Non-stealthy aircraft can employ other techniques to be stealthy or hidden such as low-level flying whereby the ground will obscure you until your close enough as aircraft will be obscured by ground clutter to a scanning radar. Also the curvature of the Earth can obscure you if you fly low enough, you can get as close as 25nm or so before being spotted. Anti-ship missiles employ this technique.

But in open air/space a stealthy aircraft will be picked up a lot later than a non-stealthy one flying toward an enemy monitoring in that direction.

This does not apply to any visual systems as a big hunk of metal in the sky is just as visible. Also, heat-seeking (infra-red) systems are less affected as heat is heat, and all you can do there is try and mask your heat signature. But these tend to be shorter-range systems.

To answer the question. Friendlies have the exact same problem as the enemy, as they don't have any special radars that can see a stealthy aircraft any better than the enemy can, that is unless you know what you're looking for/listening to.

Security aside the stealthy aircraft will by some means broadcast its location on a random occurrence and securely encoded radio frequency, so as long as you know what to listen for and how to decode it you can work out where your assets are. Obviously, the enemy a) won't know what to listen for and b) know how to decode it.

These details are set on an aircraft pre-flight much like IFF/SSR transponder codes and for obvious reasons are very very secret.

Radars are essentially passive so this limits their range, however, if something is broadcasting the detecting range is increased.

(Simplified example) Think of it as looking for something in the dark (or very low light). Without illumination, you can't see anything until it's up close, but if that thing turns a light on or otherwise illuminates itself then you can see it.

Now if the thing is illuminated all the time everyone can see it which isn't a good idea. So imagine then the light is a certain colour and only you (and the thing) know what colour to expect. Turn the light on for a short time and you can see it as you are looking for it, but its not on long enough for anyone else to figure out there is a light on let alone workout what colour it is. Get the idea :)

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    $\begingroup$ This doesn't really seem to answer the question as to how (or if) friendlies track the stealth craft. The degree to which stealth craft are hidden from radar isn't really the focus here. It's more suited as a comment, not an answer. $\endgroup$
    – Flater
    Nov 19 '20 at 14:31
  • $\begingroup$ I updated the question $\endgroup$
    – djack109
    Nov 19 '20 at 18:30
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    $\begingroup$ Stealth reduces the amount of EMR reflected to its source. It's like the opposite of a retro-reflector. Since radar generally works by putting a detector next to an emitter, that makes the aircraft less visible. If EMR is emitted from the aircraft, rather than reflected, as infra-red is, stealth does not affect it. With visible light, not only is stealth not designed to work in that frequency range, but the emitter (the sun) is not next to the detector (your eyes). $\endgroup$ Nov 20 '20 at 1:40
  • $\begingroup$ @Acccumulation: I'm not sure light is the best example here due to its tendency for diffuse reflection, unless you're specifically assuming a plane made of mirrors. $\endgroup$
    – Flater
    Nov 20 '20 at 8:46
  • $\begingroup$ I was using light as a simple example, its not the best example but most people can relate to it. Either that or its radar theory 101 lol $\endgroup$
    – djack109
    Nov 20 '20 at 9:35

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