# Can a plane bank without turning?

Can planes bank without turning, and if so, how is it possible?

A plane's wing is designed to naturally create lift; the explanation for that is that the greater speed of the air moving over the wing reduces the air pressure above the wing and air pressure from underneath pushes the wing up.

But when the plane is tilted to the left or right relative to Earth's surface and gravity, shouldn't it be "pushed" to the left or right?

• Commented Jul 1, 2020 at 4:48
• I think the term "roll" would be better than "bank" here. Commented Jul 1, 2020 at 12:52
• @CarlWitthoft "To bank" just means "to fly with a roll angle other than zero," does it not? "Bank angle" and "roll angle" are used more or less interchangeably, as far as I know. Although, when used as verbs, I normally think of "bank" as "flying with a bank angle other than zero" and "roll" as "changing bank angle." Commented Jul 2, 2020 at 3:32
• argh! that explanation is wrong! Commented Jul 3, 2020 at 19:16
• "the explanation for that is that the greater speed of the air moving over the wing reduces the air pressure above the wing" This isn't actually true - the air going over the wing doesn't have to take the same amount of time passing over the wing as the air underneath the wing. How lift actually works is a bit more complicated than that, but I think that would be worthy of a Question in its own right. Commented Jul 4, 2020 at 7:22

Yes it can. The steady-heading sideslip (SHSS) maneuver is used in flight testing to demonstrate static lateral/directional stability (similar maneuvers exist as sideslip approach in crosswind, or stabilized control with one-engine-inoperative at low speed). In this maneuver, rudder is applied to hold a sideslip, which generates an opposing side force and rolling moment. The rolling moment is neutralized via ailerons, and the side force is canceled out by banking to the opposite side. Once at steady-state, the aircraft is maintaining a rectilinear course, while banked.

• Thanks--I need to learn some of these things--I'm interested in aviation. Commented Jul 1, 2020 at 22:05
• Not just flight testing; it's standard procedure for a cross-wind landing. Commented Jul 2, 2020 at 13:39
• @PeteBecker Modified to mention other similar maneuvers.
– JZYL
Commented Jul 2, 2020 at 14:06
• This is often called rolling on a heading. Commented Jul 3, 2020 at 21:40
• @David You can't freeze a DR: the airplane has non-zero yaw/roll rate at every point in time. It is a rigid body mode. In an SHSS, all rates are zero, and the airplane is at steady-state. They are completely different. In fact, one of the design goals of FBW transport aircraft is to suppress/eliminate DR; yet, being able to conduct a SHSS is a certification requirement.
– JZYL
Commented Jul 3, 2020 at 23:08

Yes, it's entirely possible. You can use the rudder to oppose the turn induced by the roll, and thus fly straight. However, doing so means that your nose is pointed off at an angle from your direction of flight, so this dramatically increases drag.

In fact, this is a common technique (at least among general aviation pilots) for losing altitude without increasing your airspeed during landing, if you're too high and fast to make it down to the runway otherwise. You're actually required to demonstrate this technique (called a forward slip) in order to get your pilot's license.

• IDK. It's one of those "explain how you ride a bicycle" things, but as I think of doing a slip, I don't see it as banking. Rather, I use rudder to put the fuselage at an angle to the airstream, and use aileron to hold the wings level. Commented Jul 1, 2020 at 4:16
• @jamesqf Same - it took me a second to realise what he was referring too
– Dan
Commented Jul 1, 2020 at 9:25
• @jamesqf If you bank over, then observe how the aircraft starts to turn, and then apply rudder to counter it, it's different to applying rudder, observing the induced roll, and then using aileron to counter... but once you've got both control inputs on and the aircraft is now in a steady-state sideslip, it's the same regardless of how you got there, and the difference is largely semantic. A fluent pilot might even make both inputs simultaneously. Commented Jul 1, 2020 at 15:05

Here are two questions back at you.

## Can a plane turn, with banking?

Yes, of course it can, the normal way using the ailerons to tilt the airplane and thus change the angle of lift. You already know all about that.

## Can a plane turn, without banking?

Yes, it can; by using the rudder to do the turning it can pull off a “flat turn” as it were.

OK... are you getting any clever ideas? I bet you are.

You bet.

## Can it do both at once, turning equal but opposite?

Yes. The pilot can make the two turns cancel each other out, so the plane goes in a straight line after all.

What is not canceled out? The aileron banking. That still happens. So there you are flying straight and tilted.

Of course this creates a lot of drag, and is a huge fuel waster... so I wouldn’t do it at cruise. But if you’re on approach and you have extra kinetic energy to dump, it can be a good plan.

Assuming you’re not flying an F-14 Tomcat. Kara Hultgreen tried that, and the Tomcat did not like it.

• @JorenVandamme Oof--her death sounds scary. The Radar Intercept Officer must feel bad. Commented Jul 2, 2020 at 20:02

Can planes bank without turning

Yes, a plane may fly in a banked attitude without turning.

But when the plane is tilted to the left or right relative to Earth's surface and gravity, shouldn't it be "pushed" to the left or right?

Yes, whenever a plane is banked and the wing is generating lift, the lift vector has a horizontal component that tends to "push" the plane to the side, i.e. tends to make the flight path curve1. If the plane is banked and still is travelling in a straight line, some other force must be opposing the horizontal component of the lift vector. That other force is typically the "sideways lift" force generated by making the fuselage fly sideways through the air, so that it acts like an airfoil-- like a "mini wing".

Here's how it works in actual practice-- use the ailerons to roll left. As the bank angle increases, the plane will tend to turn left, but you can prevent this by applying right rudder as needed to hold the heading constant. The wind (airflow) is now hitting the left side of the fuselage and creating a force toward the right that opposes the force from the banked wing. Once you reach your desired bank angle, you can relax some of your aileron input, but you'll typically2 need to maintain some amount of left aileron deflection, or else the bank angle will start to decrease, due to the aerodynamic effects of the sideways airflow created by the right rudder input. So you are holding left aileron and right rudder, and you are flying sideways through the air at a constant bank angle without actually turning. This is called a "cross-controlled sideslip".

Footnotes--

1-- unless the wing is "unloaded" to the zero-lift angle-of-attack, as would be the case in a sustained 90-degree "knife-edge" maneuver.

2-- an exception would be an aircraft with no coupling between slip and roll, such as an aircraft optimized for aerobatics with a mid-mounted wing with zero sweep or dihedral. In such an aircraft, the aileron input could be relaxed all the way to zero once the desired bank angle is reached, and the aircraft would remain in a banked attitude. In such an aircraft, the sideslip could be maintained with rudder deflection alone. There are even some aircraft that actually require the ailerons to be deflected in the same direction as the rudder, rather than the opposite direction, to maintain a constant bank angle during a sideslip, but these are unusual cases. In most aircraft, the rudder and aileron inputs must be "crossed" to maintain a steady-state sideslip with constant heading and bank angle.

The short answer is yes. A coordinated turn has both bank and yaw induced simultaneously in the same direction. If you induce enough yaw in the opposite direction of the bank, the aircraft will fly in a straight line even though the wings are not level. You do this by cross controlling the aircraft. In laymen’s terms, that means you turn the yoke to the right while pressing the left rudder pedal, or turn the yoke to the left while pressing the right rudder pedal. This is called a slip.

Pilots utilize a slip for various purposes. Banking the aircraft will increase the horizontal (Left and right) component of lift, and reduce the vertical (up and down) component of lift. This is very useful in a number of circumstances.

Pilots adjust their roll and yaw inputs in order to let the horizontal component of lift counteract the force of a crosswind while keeping the ground track of the aircraft consistent with the runway direction and the nose (heading) aligned with the runway. In a strong crosswind, the plane will land on one (the upwind) main landing gear first while remaining in line with and traveling Down the runway. This is called a side slip.

Pilots will also adjust their roll inputs in order to drastically reduce the amount of vertical component of lift. The right amount of yaw will angle the nose of the aircraft out of its most efficient and streamlined position in the slipstream and/or relative wind. The combination of the two will keep the aircraft moving on a consistent ground track while increasing the aircraft’s descent rate. Normally, increasing the aircraft’s descent rate would create a corresponding increase in airspeed. But, since the aircraft is no longer moving in an efficient, streamlined manner, there is an increase in drag. Therefore, the pilot can have an increased descent rate without an increase in airspeed. Pilots will do this to lose altitude quickly, or to descend for landing without flaps to slow them down. This is called a forward slip.

Sometime pilots will perform a slip in order to get a better view of an object. Whether it is an object on the ground like the airfield or even another aircraft in the air at a lower altitude, it is sometimes helpful to bank the aircraft to get a better view of the object. This is especially true with low wing aircraft.

Yes you can bank an aircraft without turning it, provided you do not load the wing ie maintain zero angle of attack, and therefore zero lift.

The downside to this is that, in doing so, you are now in free fall as there is no force to counteract gravity*. You will only be able to maintain such a condition for brief periods without reloading the wing to maintain altitude. If you do so while rolled into a bank, the aircraft will start to turn again. Aerobatic pilots do this on a regular basis in maneuvers like slow rolls, knife edge passes, etc.

*this does not take into account the force of thrust in high pitch maneuvers, lift from the fuselage and other airframe structures, etc.

• This answer seems overly complicated. How about a simple cross-controlled sideslip? Commented Jul 1, 2020 at 23:18
• That's a convoluted way of doing a simple maneuver. You can just slip it and not worry about falling from the sky. Commented Jul 2, 2020 at 21:20