# Do the blades of the rear disk have different geometry to the blades of the front disk on a contra-rotating assembly?

If my understanding is correct, the air flow is accelerated by the front propeller toward the rear propeller in a contra-rotating prop assembly. Therefore, the rear disk would be receiving air at different pressure and velocity than the front disk. Does this have an effect on the efficiency of the rear disk, and if so, do the rear blades have different geometry to the front blades?

• I think the last question, do the rear blades have different geometry to the front blades?, is a false dichotomy. Some designs could be different, some designs are not. May 19, 2020 at 15:29

The conditions at the rear disk are obviously different, so something must be different.

First of all, if the rotation direction of the disks is opposite, you'll have 'right' and 'left' blades. (Blades nearly always have asymmetric airfoil, so you can't swap them). That's 'different geometry' already.

Normally, the efficiency of the rear disk will be somewhat lower (zymhan's answer provides some sources). If so, an optimal design should provide more power/torque to the front disk. The most powerful turboprop NK-12 delivers about 20% more torque to the front disk.

Source

This doesn't mean, however, that the blades must be substantially different (other than mirrored). Indeed, on most coaxial assemblies they are the same (including the aforementioned NK-12). How does it work? All these props are constant speed units (at least, I'm not aware of others). The governors will simply set the appropriate blade pitch such that the RPMs were the same, despite different torque and conditions. This means in practice that the blade pitch on the rear disk will be lower. This may count as 'different geometry'.

Finally, there are rare examples when the disks are substantially different. One of them is the SV-27 propfan on Antonov-70, which has even different number of blades (8 vs 6). (This, I believe, is a prop with the highest disk loading ever).

Wiki source

• propellers in the mist … May 19, 2020 at 11:43

Swirl recovery reduces the magnitude of efficiency degradations at high power loadings and/or low tip speeds typically associated with single rotation propellers. Therefore,the ideal efficiency advantage offered by counter rotation propellers varies from about 5 to 15 units of efficiency for the range of conditions shown in figure 4.

Figure 10 also shows the relationship of blades per disk and tip sweep angle on efficiency

• But this doesn't answer the main question stated in the title: does it follow that the rear prop actually has a different geometry?
– Zeus
May 19, 2020 at 0:51
• @Zeus it is not one or the other. Some rear propeller air foils could be different from the front, while others may not be. There is no rule, or evidence, that the geometries are only different OR the same. May 19, 2020 at 15:27