Other than staying outside class B until being cleared in, is the point where one requests a transition route important? For example, the SFO B coastline transition is shown as starting up at San Rafael in the north. But one could also fly as far south as SAU below 5000 or Lake Merced below 3000 outside the Bravo before having to ask for clearance. So my question is whether the intent is that one should start at the mapped limits of the transition routes or whether one can ask for them anywhere as long as you're outside the Bravo?


Vaguely related question: the FAA presentation on the latest version of the SFO B shows that the intention for the coastline transition is "at or above 3500". Is this documented somewhere other than in this random PDF from a 2-year-old presentation?

FAA SFO B presentation found on publicworks.smcgov.org

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There's an AOPA Air Safety Institute video, "Ask ATC: Am I Cleared for Class B?":

In this and other "Ask ATC" videos, they point out that if you're in VFR flight-following, ATC will not clear you for Class B without your requesting it, even if your current flight path will obviously enter that airspace.

If you are getting ATC VFR flight-following, you should make the request in the course of normal communications, but no later than the point where you can easily divert if clearance is denied.

If you are not talking to ATC, you must first get their attention ("November 12345, request"), then on acknowledgement (when they'll probably abbreviate your call sign, which means you can, too), give your aircraft make/model (which tells ATC your capabilities), relative position (which tells them where to look for your radar return), altitude(s) (level/climbing/descending, which they won't get directly from your transponder), and intentions (your request). This, too, you should do well before the point when diverting around the airspace becomes inconvenient.

(If you're squawking 1200, they'll give you a squawk at the same time, probably an altimeter setting, and possibly altitudes and vectors through the Bravo, so be ready with your lapboard or tablet. Don't hesitate to ask for a re-read, or even to ask them to speak more slowly—in another "Ask ATC" video, they say that controllers often accelerate their speaking pace over the course of a shift without realizing it, they know that VFR pilots aren't as practiced in ATC comms, and they'd much rather you ask for them to repeat more slowly than for you to make a guess.)

So long as you're already handed-off to (if flight-following) or have made contact with the ATC with jurisdiction over the Class B, you can theoretically do it as early as you like.

So there's a bit of a trade-off: later makes it harder to divert, but easier for ATC to have awareness of you. Earlier makes it easier to divert, but ATC may not be ready to clear you if you're far enough out that the traffic situation may change significantly before you enter the airspace.

(Since you're probably significantly slower than most of the aircraft in the Class B, that makes it even more likely that the situation will change.)

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    $\begingroup$ Nit: Some Bravos will clear you in without a request, mostly to make their job easier by getting you above all the 1200s crammed below and the resulting constant stream of traffic alerts. $\endgroup$
    – StephenS
    Commented Mar 23, 2021 at 3:04

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