I would imagine sensors that pick up the wavelength/PRF and a couple of emitters trying to flood the seeker. Or could chaff be sufficiently reflective?

  • $\begingroup$ Is there a reason that you think this exotic / expensive method is even necessary when trying to shoot down a helicopter? I think you have two questions here. The first is about countermeasures for semi active laser homing in a SAM. The second is the utility of using laser illumination to target a helicopter, whether it be SAM or AAA in use. Suggest you split them up, and link them to each other as related. Lastly, why are you bringing Chaff into a discussion of IR sensors? I ask particularly given the user name that you have chosen. ;) $\endgroup$ Jul 13 '19 at 16:59
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  • $\begingroup$ @KorvinStarmast The idea was that a lack of countermeasures might make this method attractive. But since it doesn't appear to be, I was wondering about practicality too. I split the questions up as you suggested. So is chaff not able to distract the seeker by reflecting IR radiation? $\endgroup$
    – Flare
    Jul 13 '19 at 17:30
  • $\begingroup$ Your call yourself Flare. Look up the term "IR Flares." $\endgroup$ Jul 13 '19 at 18:15
  • $\begingroup$ Dazzling the seeker might work. Chaff won't, because it won't stay in the line between the emitter and the target, and the detector on the launch platform (which may not be laser (lidar), but might be passive radar or IR camera) is unlikely to be fooled by a decoy. But best defence against anything semi-active is shooting the launch platform. $\endgroup$
    – Jan Hudec
    Jul 13 '19 at 21:45

Ground targets do have countermeasures against laser guided munitions in the way of smoke screens, for example on the Shtora-1 or Arena Active Protection Systems. These disperse an aerosol that reflects the light frequency of the known enemy laser designators.

This works against laser homing missiles like the AGM-114 Hellfire (except the Lima, which is radar-guided) by effectively displacing the aim point of the guided munition to the smoke cloud and giving the target a chance to reposition out of line of sight of the launch platform.

Note that this is less effective against beam riding missiles like the 9K121 Vikhr which has the laser sensors on the rear of the missile and does not depend on the reflection of the guiding beam, but rather on its orientation.

On the topic of aerial targets, the situation is very different. In the first place, there are not many anti air systems that rely on laser guidance, since these are only occasionally useful against rotary wing threats and close to useless against fixed wing. The two most likely situations where a helicopter might find itself being targeted by a laser guided munition are the result of improvisation: it can be engaged by another airborne platform with and air-to-ground weapon or by an armored vehicle using an ATGM.

The likelyhood of this happening is considered low enough that many helicopters do not have an LWR to alert them of such a threat. As far as I am aware, it seems that Russian designs like the Ka-50/52, Mi-24 and Mi-28 do have dedicated LWRs while western designs tend to include more general MAWS equipment. The main advantage of the separate system is that it can potentially detect tank rangefinders that illuminate the airframe trying to obtain a firing solution for the main gun.

Secondly and more to the point, smoke screens in the air are not an option as they would require the helicopter to remain in a hover, which would make it an easier target for precisely the kind of laser guided systems you want to defeat, among others. It is much easier to maneuver behind terrain to disrupt the guidance beam, which is easier if the helicopter has forward airspeed.

You may be thinking of something akin to chaff corridors, coordinated lines of chaff deployed by dedicated ECM aircraft in advance of air raids in the WW2 and Cold War period. These clouds of chaff were meant to jam radar stations and were not dense enough to hinder optical or IR systems:

An Avro Lancaster dropping Window (the crescent-shaped white cloud on the left of the picture) from within the accompanying bomber stream; sometime during WW2


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