In response to my previous two questions about fatigue issues, or the lack thereof, generated by the cusps in double-bubble-fuselaged aircraft (Stratocruiser, DC-9-80), I received a number of answers about how the presence of a load-bearing floor attached to the fuselage cusps, in the style of the film between two abutting soap bubbles negates any susceptibility to fatigue that the cusps might otherwise generate.

For instance, this answer by @MaxPower to the Stratocruiser question:

It is not the stress concentrating type of sharp corner. That is the natural shape that allows the parts to be in a nice smooth tension at lowest energy. If you made an elastic rubber balloon with a divider membrane creating two chambers and inflated it you would get a similar load distributing shape.

And these two from the DC-9-80 question, one of them by @JohnK:

It's not a stress concentrator; it's just the opposite. What you're missing is that the floor itself at the pinched part forms a tension bridge that allows a more or less 'ovalized' circle while still maintaining tension loading on the skins and frames as if it was a pure circle.

If I had a rubber balloon filled with air and was able to run a string internally from one side to the other, attached to the walls of the balloon, and then drew the string in to pinch the sides of the balloon into a figure eightish profile, I'd have the same thing. All the loads on the skins are still in tension, as well as the bridging floor beams (the string).

and the other by @Nyos:

The answer is soap bubbles:


They are filled with slightly higher pressure air, and when they're attached to each other, they have a planar "reinforcement-like" part between them. (see the picture) This is similar to your "attached circles with reinforcement between them"-style structure. (DC fuselage)

And I sorta get what they’re getting at, but aircraft are not, generally-speaking, made of soap films, but, rather, of (mainly) aluminium alloys (in the case of most Boeing aircraft) or fiber-reinforced plastics (in the case of Airbus and newer Boeing aircraft), both of which, unlike soap films, are vulnerable to fatigue cracking. I understand that the load-bearing floor stretched between the cusps is supposed to support them and make the cusped area no more vulnerable to fatigue than any other part of the fuselage, but it seems to me like that would only really work if the floor has exactly the same mechanical properties (elasticity, yield strength, etc.) as the outer pressure hull, which is somewhat unlikely.1

For instance, if the floor is stretchier than the pressure hull, pressurising the aircraft should cause it to balloon outwards around the tropic of Capricorn, causing considerable bending stresses in the cusped areas (although, admittedly, less than would be generated in the absence of a floor):


(The green arrows indicate what expands in what directions. The red arrows indicate the direction of the resultant bending stresses on the cusp areas.)

Or, if the pressure hull is stretchier than the floor, the upper and lower lobes of the hull should balloon outwards, again causing considerable bending stresses in the cusps (although in the opposite direction this time):

...Mmfff... ...'rrrgh...

(The green and red arrows serve exactly the same purpose as with the previous image.)

How and why isn’t this a problem in practice?

1: For instance, the pressure hull has to, as the name implies, resist radial and hoop stresses generated by cabin pressurisation, while the cabin floor only has to resist longitudinal stresses from same (which is why aircraft floors need blowout vent panels to keep a rapid or explosive decompression of the cargo hold from causing the floor to collapse and sever floor-routed flight-control cables); as materials react differently to being stressed in different ways, one of the two is likely to need a beefier structure than the other, making it more rigid and less stretchy. Also, the corrosion environments experienced by the floor and the pressure hull are considerably different for most aircraft, likely causing one to corrode (and become weaker and less rigid) faster than the other.

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    $\begingroup$ Anonymous downvoter, please state your concern. $\endgroup$ – Koyovis May 27 '19 at 3:34
  • $\begingroup$ @Koyovis: Good to know I'm not the only person who sees that that's a problem! $\endgroup$ – Vikki - formerly Sean May 27 '19 at 3:36

Because the effects you describe are too small to place enough bending stress on critical locations to be a significant problem, and to the extent that is a problem, you simply add extra meat as required. If the fuselage grows say 50 thousandths in diameter at max differential and the floor beam stretches by say 20 thousandths, the change in the geometry of the Y intersection is fairly insignificant and well within the ability of the material to flex without accelerated fatigue. And in any case, as a joint, there will be more meat in the structure as a matter of course, done in a way the feathers the stress away from the center of the Y to the extent that there is any local bending because the bubble grows more than the joining tension beam (in any case, one leg of the Y, the floor beam, is getting bent downward by the load of the pax, so you are still stuck with accounting for bending in the joint just from that).

You can make pretty much any structure fatigue proof if you want by adding meat. You will see transport airplanes with flat pressure bulkheads. Lots of bending stress going on, and the flat skins of the bulkhead want to oil can (bulge). You just have to make the beams heavy enough to take the loads without too much deformation, and feather structure away from peak stress points as much as possible to save weight (including making the skins thicker at beams and stiffeners and thinner in the middle, usually done by chemical-milling).

It would be lighter to make a pure tension curved bulkhead, but sometimes you are stuck with that configuration (and in fact almost all airliners have at least one flat pressure bulkhead, at the very front). In any case, even the skins in a circular pressure hull also bulge a tiny amount because the skin is anchored to frames and stringers that stretch less, and they are also may be chem milled to make them thinner in the middle of panel sections to save weight and thicker at the rivet lines because there is a tiny amount of oil-can bending).

The art is in making everything just strong enough to meet your requirements (crack free over X thousand cycles), because every ounce over that is ballast. When you do your long term fatigue test of the fuselage barrel, you find out of the calculations you made to size all the material was too much or not enough. If not enough, you end up with mod campaigns.

  • $\begingroup$ Aluminium and its alloys (which most aircraft are made of) don't have any ability to flex without accelerated fatigue, unlike (say) structural steels, which have a so-called fatigue limit. $\endgroup$ – Vikki - formerly Sean May 27 '19 at 4:06
  • $\begingroup$ Ok maybe not "fatigue proof", but you make the material thick enough the accelerated fatigue is pushed so far out it might as well be. The DC-3 has an indefinite fatigue life because the structure in key areas is heavy enough to be close to the near vertical part of the fatigue curve for aluminum. $\endgroup$ – John K May 27 '19 at 4:11
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    $\begingroup$ ...and because it isn't a pressurised aircraft, so its fuselage skin doesn't have to deal with the stresses of being inflated and deflated with every flight. $\endgroup$ – Vikki - formerly Sean May 27 '19 at 4:15
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    $\begingroup$ Airliners have fatigue issues beyond the pressure hull. Gear attachments, beams, etc. The reason is the DC-3 was designed when aluminum fatigue science was in its infancy so very large fudge factors were included. Modern airplanes are designed to a specific cycle limit, with 3x safety factor applied to the actual fatigue test results if cracks appear, to allow for scatter. $\endgroup$ – John K May 27 '19 at 12:11
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    $\begingroup$ The flex is distributed down the span to avoid concentrating stress, and where you do have a concentration such as at an attachment, you just add extra meat, feathered into the adjacent structure to distribute the concentration gradually. $\endgroup$ – John K May 27 '19 at 15:25

How and why isn’t this a problem in practice?

The answer is in the question: in practice. There will always be stresses in the construction, including bending stresses. The double bubble just has much lower internal stress than a comparable oval shape

A fuselage cross-section under pressure will want to acquire a circular shape - if it starts out in a circular shape to begin with, the pressure applies pure tension on the cross shape skin. What you drew in the first image is not what happens, a circular shape does not transform into an oval one due to pressure differential.

The floor itself is only under expansional stretch from the skin bubbles, provided of course that pressure above and underneath the floor is equal.

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The design issue mentioned in the question is about the stresses in the floor/fuselage intersection. If we model these as hinges, which by definition cannot absorb bending loads, we get the double bubble Homer Simpson-like pic above. This is the ideal design minimising all stresses. Minimising, not zeroing out.

Point is: nowhere is there a large additional bending moment introduced, like when an oval cross-section is under pressure.

  • $\begingroup$ ...and if, like I stated in the question, the floor is less stretchy than the pressure hull, and, thus, expands less than the hull does when the aircraft is pressurised, or vice versa? $\endgroup$ – Vikki - formerly Sean May 27 '19 at 3:52
  • $\begingroup$ The hull will still expand into a circular shape, picture the connection between floor and skin acting like a hinge. $\endgroup$ – Koyovis May 27 '19 at 4:02
  • $\begingroup$ Which forces the connection to bend, in order to allow the angles between the three legs of the connection to change without the legs breaking off. $\endgroup$ – Vikki - formerly Sean May 27 '19 at 4:17
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    $\begingroup$ Yes - to a manageable extent though. These are all gross modo considerations, the detailed construction design will always have to accommodate for stresses. They just look to minimise them that's all. The beams underneath the floor experience bending stresses as well, and they're designed to accommodate them. Meanwhile, the designers spent a very considerable amount of time checking out how to minimise the bending stresses. $\endgroup$ – Koyovis May 27 '19 at 6:33

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