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I'm trying to listen to my flight's ATC communications (flying United out of SFO). What is the difference between ramp, ground, and departure channels? Ground and departure have multiple frequencies, so I'm wondering which ones I should listen to for my flight?

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  • $\begingroup$ What are you using to monitor the channels with? Some stuff may be digitally transmitted, so you might not even hear it. If you don't know your flights call sign, you may not pick on stuff intended for your plane. Some stuff may have shortened frequencies, such as the use of ".9" vs "121.9", so you could miss those too. $\endgroup$ – CrossRoads Mar 13 at 16:21
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As you would have noticed, it's not published which frequencies your flight will use. So it requires dedicating some time on your part (to some, it's time well spent).

The terms

  • Ramp control: For the big airports, those frequencies are typically not staffed by FAA controllers, but airport/airline employees handling a section of the airport ground where the planes park and push back.$^1$ Also see: How do terms apron, ramp, tarmac, taxiway, parking area, gate, hardstand relate to each other?

  • Ground: For the big airports, there may be more than one, say one for the northern part of the airport, and one for the southern. Figuring out which runways are used when (time of day; winds) will make it a bit easier. Ground handles ground movement, anything that is not ramp or runways.

  • Tower: Same as ground, there may be more than one, and this one is for runways (taking off and landing).

  • Departure: This varies wildly, even for a single airport, it will change depending on the winds, time of day, and traffic load. It may even be combined with arrival/approach. This is the airspace around the airport outside the tower's jurisdiction, which connects to the en-route/center controllers.

Figuring it out

  1. Find out from which gate/terminal you'll board.

  2. Start listening to all channels days ahead and try to find your flight. You can search for archives of recordings too (there is no need to free up your schedule).

  3. Take notes of the other flights as well, and where they park. Some flight tracking websites show the planes that are parked on the ground (playback/archive functions exist on some as well).

  4. Use the 4-letter ICAO airport code, in this case KSFO, to search for free parking charts. Plenty of flight simulation groups release custom made versions of those charts, but of course they are of no value for real flying. Note: FAA charts are public domain, but as far as I know the ones with the parking stands are not published.

  5. Get the rest of the charts, and combined with the above, start learning how the airport operates.

Easy way 1

If your flight will receive its flight clearance by voice radio (computerized/data clearances are taking over) on the delivery frequency, just listen closely and start switching frequencies to match those given to the pilots (e.g., United xxxx, contact tower on xxx.xxx). If not, once you catch your flight on a frequency, start frequency-hopping with them.

Easy way 2

If United still offers "Channel 9", just cheat: How was I able to just plug in my headphones and listen to ATC and pilot chatter?


$^1$ https://www.nap.edu/read/24668/chapter/15

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  • $\begingroup$ United still offers "Channel 9," but only on those aircraft that have IFE systems that support it (and only if the crew hasn't switched the feature off; it's at the captain's discretion, but sometimes they'll turn it on if you ask nicely). At this point, it looks like that's just some of the 777 and 767 fleet, plus the 28-seat businessfirst transcontinental p.s. aircraft. So it's possible, but not that likely. $\endgroup$ – Zach Lipton Feb 28 at 2:41
  • $\begingroup$ It's very disappointing that the (US) airlines no longer offer the "Channel 9" service. I used to love listening to it as a kid. $\endgroup$ – FreeMan Feb 28 at 13:57
  • $\begingroup$ Did it inspire you enough to start flying? $\endgroup$ – CrossRoads Mar 13 at 16:51
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In order after you're seated, I would choose (assuming you can find and listen to them):

  • Company ops/ramp (possibly specific to your airport sector ie. where you are on ground)
  • SMC (may have another name), but 'Surface movement control' which allocates pushback instructions, and taxiway allocations to your departure runway
  • Tower to hear runway approval/cleared for takeoff, and SID if allocated
  • Departures after takeoff to confirm your routing in the terminal area
  • En-route control - occasional messages as you follow your flight plan
  • Arrivals at the other end to receive STARs or vectoring instructions
  • Tower for clearance to land
  • SMC for taxiway guidance
  • Airline Ops for instructions towards gate, connecting gate info (crew and pax). Airline Ops may also receive engineering follow ups required after arriving at gate.

There's a lot of channel changing to do all this!

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