# Why don't airports have weigh stations to prevent overweight takeoffs?

Currently, ensuring that an airplane isn't overweight when it takes off relies on the cargo handlers loading the aircraft properly and accurately documenting (on the weight-and-balance sheet) what with how much weight was placed where, and on the pilots properly reviewing the weight-and-balance sheet once the airplane is loaded. Even then, there are uncertainties (it is rarely possible to know exactly how much each passenger weighs, for instance). So why don't airports have weigh stations to weigh the planes as they taxi after being loaded, allowing any flights found to be overweight to be ordered back to the terminal to jettison the excess weight?

• Some airplanes have such devices and the scales you describe exist they are just not used for every flight.
– Dave
Dec 15, 2018 at 21:47
• Is this even a practical problem that needs solving? Aren't most flights loaded (usually fuel-wise) under max take off weight anyway? Airlines don't like to tanker fuel all around unnecessarily. Dec 16, 2018 at 20:50
• Might it not be simpler to build the scales into the landing gear? Oct 7, 2019 at 20:01

## 4 Answers

Aircraft are heavy.

Really, quite heavy.

An Airbus A340, depending on type, has a maximum takeoff weight (MTOW) of up to 380,000 kg.

A Boeing 747, again depending on type, can have a maximum takeoff weight of a shade under 447,700 kg.

Measuring that kind of weight accurately is certainly not impossible, but it's not exactly easy either.

A bigger issue is that it's not as simple as saying that if the aircraft weighs more than some number of kilograms, then it's overweight, and if it weighs less, then all is fine. The distribution of that weight within the aircraft – precisely that "weight and balance calculation" which you mention – matters, sometimes a great deal. The aircraft could be putting an acceptable weight on the wheels, but if the weight is too far forward or too far aft, may still be outside of its controllability limits once it lifts off the ground.

Simply putting the aircraft on a scale and providing the pilots (somehow) with a weight-on-wheels readout as they taxi will catch the situation where the pilot can't add (as in, mathematically add up the weight components that make up the total aircraft weight), but it won't necessarily catch the situation where the load is improperly balanced.

So you'd be adding another fair bit of complexity (which can fail in various ways) to a currently relatively simple part of aviation (the taxiways or apron), possibly giving the pilots a false sense of security, and not solve the problem. Someone would still need to do a weight and balance calculation, at which point the weight-on-wheels reading can, at best, provide a rough sanity check on the weight part of the weight and balance.

Seems easier to just try to figure out ways to make the weight and balance calculations easier to perform, and make random spot checks on weight and balance calculations done (and schedule followup training if the pilots, or ground crew, or whoever else, need it).

• Plus, for cargo aircraft, there are considerations which just knowing the weight on the individual wheels is not going to resolve. A freighter could be within the overall weight and balance envelope for the airplane and still be violating monocoque (cumulative loading so to speak from a given point forward and aft) limits, linear limits (floor loading in a smaller area so to speak), and for some aircraft the vertical c.g. If you want, to get an idea of the complexity, go to 747.terryliittschwager.com. Use a 767 if you want the added complexity of vertical c.g. limits. Dec 15, 2018 at 21:19
• Thinking about it, it shouldn't be too hard to determine the longitudinal location of the center of mass, simply by putting the nosegear and the main gear on separate weighing platforms and measuring what proportion of the weight rests on what gear. @Terry: Sure, it'd be a lot more complicated for freighters, but passenger aircraft aren't likely to experience those sort of problems. Dec 15, 2018 at 21:25
• @Sean You are correct that longitudinal c.g. can be handled by knowing the weight on each landing gear, and the lateral c.g. as well. There are some aircraft that have that built in. Insofar as the distinction between pax aircraft and freighters, remember that these days airlines are carrying cargo in the lower holds, and those holds are subject to linear and cumulative limits, not to mention ULD limits (Unit Load Devices), the pallets and igloos the cargo is in. Dec 15, 2018 at 22:31
• I would think you could calculate the CG based on the loading. Ie what % of the total is on the nose wheel vs the mains and calculate that automatically based on aircraft type data. Dec 16, 2018 at 21:23

It's theoretically possible, but an airport would have to put in weighing pads for each landing gear, that can accommodate all sizes of airliners, and it would have to be in a specific spot for the purpose, which would require everybody to taxi to the same spot to get weighed causing a huge bottleneck (deicing pans are bad enough).

And the airport authority would have to pay for it, when there is nothing in it for them, and airlines wouldn't pay the weighing fees in the first place. And the current methods work fine.

In essence it's a solution in search of a problem.

• The weighing area should be inside a building or hangar so the effects of the wind could be eliminated. Dec 16, 2018 at 12:03
• Good point. There ya go. Even worse. Dec 16, 2018 at 14:36
• Airports could just defer the costs to the airlines as part of their pre-existing fees. Airlines would not have a choice. Airports have the motivation of reducing crashes, especially those which are likely to occur very close to the airport (typical for overweight conditions), and possibly shutting it down depending on the crash site. Oct 7, 2019 at 18:44
• Crashes of major airliners due to taking off overweight or with CGs out of limits is close to nonexistent in the West. A solution in search of a problem, with zero need in the practical world. Oct 7, 2019 at 19:47

There is also economics to consider.

The number of airliner crashes that result from overweight or weight imbalance takeoffs is very low, and almost always confined to marginal operators trying to pack in more paying customers, or not paying attention to weight balance.

Takeoff crashes most often occur when there is too much ice on the wings (Air Florida 90), or the flaps aren't set correctly (Northwest 255), or there is a problem with the landing gear dragging (Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, Arrow Air), none of which is directly related to overweight conditions.

Checking weight on every takeoff would be extremely expensive to implement, would impose additional delays on an industry already wrestling with delays, and wouldn't result in a big increase in safety, because very few airliners crash due to weight problems.

A more efficient course to follow is to continue bearing down on marginal operators, and solve a lot of safety issues, overweight and otherwise, since the bulk of air crashes in general seem to originate with them. More crashes will be averted for less money.

The OP needs to research AF90. The problem was not too much ice on the wings! It was iced over sensors in the engine. The flight crew thought they had selected take-off thrust but instead had selected significantly less, and the plane with whatever ice load it did have couldn’t fly with that little thrust. OP, you need to list crashes caused by overweight aircraft to convince us that there is a problem here... nobody wants to pay for a solution in search of a problem. Convince us, please, that there is a problem here. And thanks in advance for your research on this matter.