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I pray this isn't a physics SE question.

A star engine can be considered "gas operated". So what if we power a star engine with unleashed, formerly compressed gas instead of... actual gas/aero-kerosene/etc...? So instead of fuel tank (oh the temptation to pun is so strong here) you use gas tank?

Note that since nothing has to BURN, we can use lighter-than-metal material, as engines usually play a big part when it comes to weight of aircraft.

Can you?

And if that's a YES, can you estimate the flight time?

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  • $\begingroup$ No, fuel plays a much larger part when it comes to weight of the aircraft. $\endgroup$
    – user3528438
    Apr 30, 2018 at 11:04
  • $\begingroup$ I don't understand your question. Are you asking if it would be possible to burn a gaseous fuel instead of liquid kerosene? Are you asking if it would be possible to burn helium? (No, it's completely unreactive.) Something else? $\endgroup$
    – David Richerby
    Apr 30, 2018 at 11:19
  • $\begingroup$ I'm guessing the question is about using compressed gas as an energy source, as in a pneumatically driven propeller. $\endgroup$
    – AEhere supports Monica
    Apr 30, 2018 at 12:40
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    – Akuzuki29087
    Apr 30, 2018 at 12:49
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    $\begingroup$ Yes, but only on extremely small planes (handheld models). The flight time will be incredibly short, and the design will not scale linearly. I'd be surprised if you could ever get the wingspan much above 10 feet. $\endgroup$
    – abelenky
    Apr 30, 2018 at 16:32

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In aircraft design, the main problem is energy density of the energy source. Even with the phenomenally high energy density of kerosene fuels (>42 MJ/kg), the fuel still represents a sizable chunk of the weight of an aircraft. For example, fueling an Airbus A330 will double its weight!

According to Wikipedia, compressed air has a practical energy density of about 0.1MJ/kg. There is no way you can offset the enormous amount of compressed air required by downsizing your engines. You would go from 110.000 kg of fuel to over 400 million kg of compressed air.

A more relatable example would be a Cessna 172. It can carry 212 litres of fuel, or about 150kg. On top of that, it can carry about 190kg of useful payload. If we instead use compressed gas, we would need over 60.000kg of compressed gas to get the same range.

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    $\begingroup$ It's not even the weight of the compressed air itself that's going to be your major problem. It's the weight of the tanks needed to hold it. For instance, an empty scuba tank weighs about 35 lbs, a full one (at ~3000 PSI) only about 40 lbs. So that 400 million kg of compressed air might need a couple of billion kg worth of tanks to hold it. $\endgroup$
    – jamesqf
    Apr 30, 2018 at 18:34
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    $\begingroup$ @jamesqf I don't know if the quoted energy density includes air tanks. Regardless, it's so far off that implementation details won't make a difference. $\endgroup$
    – Sanchises
    Apr 30, 2018 at 19:57
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Yes

Whereas it may not be feasible, as Sanchises explained, for large manned airplanes, on the scale of small models it is quite possible. These are aircraft, too!

CO2 models book cover

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Such models were quite popular in the '60s and '80s: the engine is very simple indeed, and can be powered by the common CO2 cartridge (as used for making fizzy water at home, which was also more popular at that time).

Nowadays, such engines are largely replaced by electric drive: also something not-yet-quite-working on a large scale, but excellent for small models.

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  • $\begingroup$ Don't forget Airhogs -- model airplanes (and other, ground-bound models, too) powered by low pressure compressed air (hand pumped in a plastic pressure tank) driving a nearly identical motor made of plastic. Flight times of up to about a minute, if everything was just right... $\endgroup$
    – Zeiss Ikon
    Apr 30, 2021 at 14:05
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If you allow to store the gas in liquefied form, the answer is a cautious Yes. But do not expect more than very brief flights.

Not compressed, but liquefied gas was used in the first attempts at powered flight. Before internal combustion engines became light and fast enough for use in aircraft, carbonic acid engines were employed by several pioneers.

Otto Lilienthal, who built and flew the first man-carrying gliders, added carbonic acid engines of his own design to several of them. They drove flapping wingtips which, according to his own description, clearly helped in stretching the glide, but were not powerful enough for sustained flight.

Lilienthal glider with flapping wingtips

Lilienthal glider with flapping wingtips (picture source; a picture of Lilienthal's engine can also be found on that page)

In 1905, the Romanian engineer Trajan Vuja used a carbonic acid engine to fly his high-wing monoplane. It was powered by a 25 hp modified Serpollet engine which drove a tractor propeller. It was capable of short hops only, even though Wikipedia reports that

The fuel supply was enough for a running time of about five minutes at full power

In its "ten years ago" section, the October 19, 1916, issue of Flight International described the power plant of the Vuja machine as:

A peculiarity of the arrangement is that the motor is driven by liquid carbonic acid, a method of obtaining power which has not hitherto been conspicuous for its lightness.

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Of course, carbon-based propellants are unacceptable today, while other heavy gases are either pollutants too, or scarce and expensive (a tankful of xenon anybody?). A metal hydride can store a surprising quantity of gas, but hydrogen is too light to exert thrust efficiently. Compressed air is about your best bet.

Frenchman Victor Tatin flew a 1.9 m (6 ft 3 in) span model driven by compressed air in 1879. The air engine powered two propellers. It was tethered and flew in a circle, for a distance of around 15 m (50 ft), after taking off under its own power. It is now in a French museum: see photo. Tatin's compressed-air model aeroplane

There is also a compressed-air model aeroplane from the early pioneer days, on display in the National Aerospace Library, Farnborough, UK. It was reasonably successful but I can't recall who made it. Anybody?

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    $\begingroup$ Can you expand on your criteria for "reasonably successful"? Because rubber bands are reasonably successful at powering balsa models, yet nobody in their right mind would consider them for general aviation... $\endgroup$
    – Michael Hall
    Apr 30, 2021 at 14:09
  • $\begingroup$ @MichaelHall Not unless somebody can recall whose model it was, sorry. And I agree that rubber power is a fair analogy here. $\endgroup$
    – Guy Inchbald
    Apr 30, 2021 at 16:14

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