In Flight Data Monitoring (FDM) programmes, the Deep Landing calculation is based on difference between the aim point (or glide slope touchdown point) and the actual touchdown point.

How are the limit values for determining whether a landing qualifies as a Deep Landing specified for long or short runways?

Is there a legal distance after which a landing is qualified as "deep". Does that depend on the runway length?

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    – Pondlife
    Commented Dec 13, 2017 at 15:34

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I believe that needs to be decided by the operator, taking into account their operation and fleets. For a jet on a short, normally wet runway, I would allow for a smaller margin than for a turboprop onto 4000m dry asphalt.

In the absence of any other information, maybe a sensible starting point could also be to look at what assumptions have gone into crew‘s landing performance calculations. On large jets, nowadays often a 7 second (or 1500ft) air distance is assumed between crossing the threshold and touchdown, in line with TALPA ARC recommendations. An air distance longer than that will invalidate the performance calculations (as this value is assumed to contain some margin already, using the full 1500ft will already use up all margin on the air part of the landing) and would thus provide a sensible event threshold. Obviously this would have to be reconciled against runway aiming point markings etc. in the FDM event validation to prevent a non-standard runway marking from generating false positives.

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    $\begingroup$ +1 for "decided by the operator". Setting the flag at a touchdown 1501' past the threshold would get a lot of flags raised for landings that are probably perfectly safe and not really egregious. Setting the flag for 3000' would probably narrow things down to a smaller data set of more "interesting" (i.e. troubling) occurrences. It all depends on what the analyst is interested in capturing. $\endgroup$
    – Ralph J
    Commented Jan 30, 2018 at 23:18

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