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So I was at an air show and saw a C-130J Super Hercules showcasing its capabilities.

The take-off distance it covered was amazingly short (I guess equal to fighter jets), even though it uses propeller based engines. The landing was also super short.

My questions are:

  1. How does such a massive plane manage to take off in short distances ? Is it because it has four engines?
  2. During landing, I couldn't see any thrust reverser (as in commercial jets) in play. What tech does it use to stop so quickly?
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    $\begingroup$ Thrust reversal on propeller engines (no matter whether turbine or piston) is done by changing propeller blade pitch, so its use is not very obvious. $\endgroup$
    – Jan Hudec
    May 14, 2014 at 8:43
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    $\begingroup$ Note, that short take-off roll is easier with propellers than jets, because jets have (approx.) constant thrust, propellers have (approx.) constant power, which means they yield higher thrust at slow speed. $\endgroup$
    – Jan Hudec
    May 14, 2014 at 8:48
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    $\begingroup$ @JanHudec Why don't you add these points to the answer? $\endgroup$
    – user2168
    May 14, 2014 at 17:47
  • $\begingroup$ surprised nobody mentioned the 727's amazing short-distance landing capabilities. According to this book I have (although i cannot find a website to confirm it), it said that it could land on 1500 foot runways $\endgroup$ May 17, 2014 at 23:41
  • $\begingroup$ @Markasoftware near empty, 3 engines at full TR, full flaps, spoilers, and brakes... boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/acaps/727sec3.pdf lists just under 3500ft minimum however (pg.25) and that's the official Boeing documents. Would possibly be shorter given extremely low weight and high headwind conditions. $\endgroup$
    – jwenting
    May 23, 2014 at 10:27

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Assault Takeoff/Landing Technique

This is a significant reason for the C-130's performance that you witnessed. "Assault" takeoff/landing speeds are lower than normal speeds, and closer to stall speed. Also there are some weight limitations. Further, the crew must be specifically trained.

Stopping Quickly

Any idea of a smooth landing is thrown out the window. The intent is to "plant" the wheels at about 300 feet down the runway. That is, transition immediately from approach attitude to actually landing rather than assuming a touch-down attitude and letting the aircraft float down to the runway.

The nose gear is pushed to the ground and the instant the wheels are on the ground the props are thrown into full reverse, now pushing air forward. At the same time the pilot puts all his might into mashing the brakes. He would "stand on the brakes" as we say. The yoke is also pushed full forward which puts as much weight as possible on the landing gear. The anti-lock brake system is critical here, preventing skidding out of control and blown tires.

In Vietnam, in combat conditions, 130 pilots would put the props in reverse before touching down. If you've seen the video on YouTube or the military's own site of a C-130 landing on an aircraft carrier in 1963, they did it there too.

J's Props are a Huge factor

The performance boost of the J models thanks to the new prop and engine is amazing vis-a-vis the older models. But fundamental airframe limitations are still there. Nonetheless more blades (6 vice. 4) and the "un-ducted fan" design simply pushes more air.

Show Off Configuration

An empty airplane with a light fuel load of course maximizes the short takeoff and landing performance.

C-130 Has Fowler Flaps

Not blown flaps. Just because the props push air over the wing does not make it blown flaps. Otherwise, yes, the C-130 was given lots of flapage precisely for this purpose.

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    $\begingroup$ I remember a C130 ride where the pilot practiced a short field landing... it hit hard with a loud clang, sounded like a bucket of bolts being dropped, and then we were all slammed forward. A rather dramatic entrance, certainly for us in the aircraft. $\endgroup$
    – tj1000
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Takeoff and landing distance have a lot of variables.

One is certainly thrust. The plane is designed such that it has enough thrust to reach takeoff speed within the available takeoff distance. For landing, the propellers are able to reverse the thrust and add extra braking power to stop in a shorter distance.

Another variable is landing and takeoff speed. If you lower takeoff and landing speeds, it takes less distance to get going and to stop. Being a propeller plane with a straight (non-swept) wing, it is designed to fly slower than jet aircraft. This means the plane needs less angle of attack to fly at slower speeds. The C-130 also has very large flaps for this purpose, and they contribute to lowering takeoff and landing airspeeds in two ways. First, the flaps are very large, which adds more wing area and also deflects more air downwards, increasing lift. Second, the flaps are placed directly behind the engines, which allows the flaps to direct some of the engine thrust downwards, further increasing lift.

Weight is also important. While the C-130 is designed for good performance at 155,000 lb, and can fly at up to 175,000 lb, it will be much lighter in a demonstration. From an empty weight of 75,562 lb, fuel and crew will still leave it well below its typical operating weights. The lower weight means that takeoff performance will be increased by better acceleration and a lower liftoff speed. Landing performance will also be better with a lower landing speed and better deceleration.

The newer C-130J also performs better than the older C-130H. The newer engines on the J model produce up to 4,637 shaft horsepower (shp) each (though they are listed here at 4,705 shp), while the engines on the H model produce up to 4,590 shp each. The empty weight on the J model is 75,562 lb and on the H model is 75,800 lb. So with the empty weight going down by 238 lb and the power increasing by at least 47 shp, and improved propellers, the J model has better performance. The takeoff distance at 155,000 lb is 3,127 feet for the J model versus 3,586 feet for the H model. The H model can take off in 1,400 feet at 80,000 lb (probably closer to the weight in demonstrations), so the J model can probably do even better.

C-130 with flaps down

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    $\begingroup$ you forgot one that's very important during demonstrations: weight. The aircraft will be at near minimum takeoff weight, no cargo, just enough fuel for the demonstration and reserve to an alternate in case the runway fouls. Low weight==shorter takeoff and landing runs. $\endgroup$
    – jwenting
    May 23, 2014 at 10:20
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    $\begingroup$ radarbob is correct, these are not "blown flaps". Blown flaps are when there is a separate duct that blows air directly into the boundary layer over the flaps. These are normal fowler flaps. The propeller slipstream does help on take-off. Not on landing though because the engines don't produce significant thrust then. $\endgroup$
    – Jan Hudec
    Dec 2, 2014 at 19:24
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the props are turbo props (more specifically the Rolls-Royce AE 2100 with 4.6k shaft horsepower) and very efficient propeller blades. This combines into a takeoff distance of 953 m at 70 ton, and at the air show they would have kept the plane nearer the empty weight (which is half that) which shortens the needed takeoff length.

To compare the Lockheed C-130 Hercules has a slightly longer takeoff distance at the same weight but only needs half that when the weight is reduced to 36 ton.

These propeller blades can change their pitch which can reverse the thrust direction, plus the wheel brakes (even large jets use mostly wheel brakes see this answer)

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Propeller driven aircraft usually have a better acceleration/deceleration rate compared to similar jet driven aircraft. This, combined with a straight/tapered wing, instead of a swept wing, and large blown flaps (as stated by fooot) make an aircraft which is able to take-off and land on very short runways.

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