Is it safe/normal to take off (fully loaded from Cyprus to Kenya - 6 hours) with very small flaps extended? Model of aircraft: Boeing 737-800. He used whole length of the airfield to take off, the next acceleration took a long time at low level, and the next climb happened very slowly.



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That looks like Flaps 1, and that is not only normal and safe, it is very common on relatively long runways (7500' and longer). For slightly shorter runways, a Flaps 5 takeoff is often used, and for the shortest runways (less than 5500', roughly), even Flaps 15 or on some aircraft, Flaps 25.

All of those are entirely safe options.

As the runway gets shorter, you get the best performance -- defined as how much weight you can carry while still meeting all requirements -- with an earlier liftoff. This means, more flaps to enable rotating at a slower speed. The downside of more flaps is more drag, which reduces initial climb performance. To get the most weight possible, you'd use an extremely long runway, a high takeoff speed, and minimal flaps (i.e. Flaps 1 as you had) for the best performance in the climb. But when the runway isn't so long, you start to be more limited in the weight you can carry, and to get the best results, more & more flaps become optimal as the runway gets shorter.

It sounds like your flight was probably pretty heavy -- a full -800 certainly would qualify -- and so the crew took advantage of the long runway to accelerate to a fast takeoff speed using Flaps 1. In the air, the aircraft will fly fine at that weight, but it isn't as nimble and won't accelerate as quickly as a lighter 737 would. If you're used to the performance of a 737 loaded with the fuel for a one or two hour flight, it isn't surprising that the aircraft with enough fuel for a 6 hour flight (plus reserves, in both cases) would seem sluggish in comparison.

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    $\begingroup$ It's amazing how much runway the -900ERs can chew up, though. Boeing airport planning docs show that an MTOW takeoff at 30 C/sea level requires 11,000 feet runway length and 40 C/sea level requires 15,000! I remember being a little concerned the first time I took off in one as we blew past the 2,000 ft markers... $\endgroup$
    – reirab
    Dec 29, 2016 at 23:03
  • $\begingroup$ @reirab those are temperature extremes of course, and pretty unlikely on Larnaka in winter, in a rainstorm :) Temp at the time the photo was taken was likely 15C or so, 20 at most. $\endgroup$
    – jwenting
    Dec 30, 2016 at 7:24
  • $\begingroup$ @jwenting There was ~10C $\endgroup$
    – h3wro
    Dec 30, 2016 at 8:47
  • $\begingroup$ @jwenting I was commenting more just on the variation within the 737s, not on this particular scenario. 30 C isn't really extreme for most parts of the world. The particular takeoff I mentioned would have been at least that, as it was in Tampa. < 30 C there is more uncommon than >= 30 C. $\endgroup$
    – reirab
    Dec 30, 2016 at 9:33
  • $\begingroup$ @reirab, the 737-900 is rather heavy for the wings that were designed long ago for significantly smaller aircraft, leading to rather high rotation speed. And with similar acceleration, distance is proportional to square of target speed, so the take-off (and landing) distances get really long. $\endgroup$
    – Jan Hudec
    Dec 30, 2016 at 23:15

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