# Why are civilians not allowed to fly demilitarized US fighter jets?

I have seen it is possible to fly demilitarized Russian fighter jets in the US. Why is it impossible to fly American demilitarized fighter jets?

• Are you primarily interested in a technical "impossible" (which could, for example, be answered with "no such airframes exist"), or a legal "not allowed" (which could, for example, be answered with pointers to appropriate legal texts)? The difference between the two is significant. – user Dec 22 '16 at 12:01
• "Impossible" - are you sure? These folks sell Skyhawks. – Simon Dec 22 '16 at 12:55
• Very closely related to this question and this one – Pondlife Dec 22 '16 at 13:36
• I was thinking of the aspect that you need a type rating to legaly fly such a jet. But I did not found any offer, except the airforce, to get a type rating for an american fighter jet – user18804 Dec 22 '16 at 15:03
• @user18804 The military does not provide type ratings in the sense that the FAA does. In fact military pilots are not certificated pilots at all unless they also hold an FAA license. – Ron Beyer Dec 22 '16 at 17:30

That's because US military is particularly concerned about chopping up its assets before civilians can lay their hands on them. The procedures are covered in US DoD Manual 4160.28 Defense Demilitarization: Procedural Guidance.

The procedures for 'demilitarizing' military aircraft are particularly brutal:

Military Aircraft

(a) Aircraft (Figure 29 and Figure 30) that are specifically designed for military purposes shall be demilitarized as follows: at a minimum, cut or break completely through at least one lobe of the fuselage trifurcated horizontal and vertical stabilizer spar attachment fittings, on both the right and the left hand sides of the stabilizer carry-through spar assemblies. This demarcation of the prescribed DEMIL procedures is to ensure the aircraft is rendered unfit for flight.

(emphasis mine).

Demilitarization Procedure; image from Popular Mechanics

(b) Helicopters (Figure 31) specifically designed for military purposes shall be demilitarized by crushing, shredding, or smelting the entire airframe and fuselage, ensuring that the transmission mounts and supporting structural beams, engine deck in area of mounts, wing attaching mounts and support beam structure, and fuselage to tail boom attaching mounts and tail rotor gear ox mounts have been destroyed.

So basically, it boils down to the fact that the US military makes sure that the airframes won't fly again. Of course, there are ways around this- you can assemble the aircraft from parts or some aircraft will simply escape the procedure and is avialble:

In a letter to the chair of the House Armed Services Committee, AOPA President Phil Boyer ... stressed that certain aircraft (possibly aircraft not demilitarized) had been carefully maintained over the years and were now serving useful purposes.

but these are quite rare.

• This isn't always true, there is at least one instance of a privately owned F-16, and others like an F-104, F-86, F-100, T-2 Buckeye, T-38, and F9-F for example. There was also the case of 3 F-14's being sold to private owners that were later seized. The F-14 is a special case though, the US is trying very hard to keep spare parts from getting to Iran. – Ron Beyer Dec 22 '16 at 14:29
• @RonBeyer Looks like the aircraft in question was a demilitarized one requiring restoration. " What is clear is that Air Capital Warbirds will sell the aircraft, either as it is or as restored.". Of course, this does not discount the fact that some aircraft may slip through the cracks, however unlikely. – aeroalias Dec 22 '16 at 14:35
• Being that, for example, F-16's are flown by 26 different nations, if one had the  they could probably get ahold of one. Amy idea what it would take as far as ratings, etc. to fly it in the US? – TomMcW Dec 23 '16 at 2:06
• Ever heard of the Collings Foundation? They have a Phantom that, last I checked, was still flying. And an A-4. – KorvinStarmast May 16 '18 at 19:00
• I guess it's the other way around. US Gov does it so we don't got a lot of "used warbirds salesman" not obligated to refuse to sell cheap airworthy airframes to "anyone" – jean May 16 '18 at 19:29

As the other have alluded, it is not impossible to fly demilitarized American military aircraft, it's just exceedingly difficult. Many are just not available due to the government holding the aircraft in reserve, and older ones are often limited by the availability of parts.

The FAA provides guidance for obtaining airworthiness approval for former military aircraft in AC 21-54 which is the first step in being able to fly such an aircraft.

Also as pointed out, the FAA doesn't have type ratings available for the majority of these aircraft so that poses a problem in being able to fly it once it's airworthy. The FAA addresses this using a Letter of Authorization or LOA. the process to obtaining this is defined in the following FAA documentation.

There are plenty of ex-military planes from many nations in private hands.

I know of an F4 being restored to flying condition by a private individual. He claims his will be the second in private hands.

A friend of mine owns an early MiG jet as well as a former Soviet trainer.

There have been several T-38s for sale from various online sources.

There are privately held T-33s out there.

At least one F-86. A few MiG-21s. At least one F-100. At least one F-104. At least one MiG-29. At least one Harrier. At least one F-8. A couple A-4s.

There is at least one Cobra flying around privately as well. Saw it a few weeks ago.

The list goes on...

There was a proposal sometime back to convert obsolete A-10s to fire fighting tankers. The outfit was, shall we say, "well connected" but it ended up not going anywhere. It would have made a GREAT, albeit pricey, tanker platform if I do say so myself.

• Plenty of P-2 Neptunes were converted for fire fighting, too. – David Richerby Apr 7 '17 at 13:55

The Wikipedia article on the Lockheed F104 Starfighter mentions a privately owned example in the US.