I'm flying VFR circuits at a towered aerodrome, and the circuit is quite busy. With traffic ahead of me to land, the tower calls on the radio and asks me to orbit on downwind. I know it's good airmanship to keep a neat orbit, centred over one point on the ground, but how tight should I make it?

A tight orbit takes up less space (I've known there to be three aircraft all orbiting on downwind at once), but at the same time, it seems like a waste of effort and fuel to be making tight turns the whole time when the point of orbiting is to kill time. A lazy orbit (at say rate 1) would kill time just as effectively while flying at a much more comfortable attitude - and more stable in windy conditions.

  • $\begingroup$ Have you practiced turns around a point? Its basically the same thing (which is why turns around a point are practiced at 1000', typical TPA). Usually when asked to make an orbit you would pick a point off the left/right wing and do a circle just like you practiced. $\endgroup$
    – Ron Beyer
    Jul 10, 2016 at 21:01
  • $\begingroup$ That's a lot of work. Better to pick a safe shallow bank angle, like 15 degrees and make a 360, and don't let yourself drift towards or away from the runway. $\endgroup$
    – rbp
    Jul 11, 2016 at 20:40

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It sounds like "orbit" is UK-speak for making a 360-degree turn for spacing in the pattern.

I'm not sure what the custom is in the UK but in the US I was taught that you make a Rate One turn (3 degrees per second) for this, giving the tower two minutes between you and the aircraft in front of you (or the one on the ground they're trying to get rid of before you arrive).

The logic is that the maneuver is supposed to create spacing - flying a tighter circle takes less time, and thus creates less space between you and the aircraft in front of you. It also obviously requires more aggressive banking at low altitude compared to the relatively gentle bank required for a standard-rate turn at traffic pattern airspeeds, which as you noted will be easier to control in windy/gusty conditions.

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    $\begingroup$ 'Orbit' is the ICAO language, '360' is FAA-speak $\endgroup$
    – DeltaLima
    Jul 11, 2016 at 22:01
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    $\begingroup$ @DeltaLima The USA never met an international standard we didn't like ignoring! $\endgroup$
    – voretaq7
    Jul 11, 2016 at 22:05

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