I'm sorry if this is a little fantastical, but I'm just wondering if this type of maneuver is possible in any way. I understand if this question gets pulled. I'm trying to make a little action-animation-cgi and just wondering if this was ever a last-resort option for maybe two planes, maybe one is a bit larger than the other but maybe similar speeds could be maintained for the one plane that is running out of fuel could latch-on somehow.
$\begingroup$ Interesting.. We do launch aircraft from other aircraft, but I think the closest we are to "landing" one is aerial refuling. Not that I have any clue whatsoever though. :) $\endgroup$– falstroJun 4, 2016 at 21:28
$\begingroup$ I could have added blimps, or airships (Lockheed thing), but I think the speed might be bit more complicated. Don't waste your time trying to math this out, it is just an idea. $\endgroup$– NormLDudeJun 4, 2016 at 21:45
$\begingroup$ So there would have to be a specific 'holding' or flat area to land on the plane I guess. Planes landing on boats or buses, even seen a airliner do a barrel roll (Denzel movie) but seeing another plane land on another plane, that could be kinda cool imho $\endgroup$– NormLDudeJun 4, 2016 at 22:19
1$\begingroup$ "wondering if this was ever a last-resort option for maybe two planes, ... for the one plane that is running out of fuel could latch-on" - See in-flight refuelling instead. $\endgroup$– RedGrittyBrickJun 5, 2016 at 9:48
2$\begingroup$ Related: aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/9854/… $\endgroup$– Peter KämpfJun 5, 2016 at 13:09
The airforce used to have Parasite Fighters that could be launched and then recovered by a larger aircraft.
The Space Shuttle was routinely transported on the back of two specially equipped B747s.
$\begingroup$ Nice pic :) Although the question is more of a technical question, like if a plane could support another smaller plane on the top part, or inside. $\endgroup$ Jun 4, 2016 at 22:16
2$\begingroup$ Yes, technically a large aircraft can support another aircraft on top or inside. The weight would not be a problem for a large enough aircraft. $\endgroup$ Jun 5, 2016 at 1:35
4$\begingroup$ Excellent examples, Mike, however @NormLDude asked specifically about landing on top of the mother ship. All of the examples at the "Parasite Aircraft" Wiki page were launched from and caught from below the mother ship (a couple launched from above, but were not air-recovered). And for the SCA, loading/unloading was a very static exercise done on the ground with cranes. $\endgroup$– FreeManJun 6, 2016 at 16:42
The Navy has already done this using airships. Here is a video showing launch and recovery. USS Macon launching a recovering aircraft.
Let me take a stab at the "inside another plane part".
One of the smallest trainer planes is the Cessna 172, with a wingspan of 36'.
One of the biggest cargo planes is the C-5 Galaxy, with an inside diameter of 19'.
So right there, you'd be hard-pressed to find a small plane that could even fit inside a larger plane.
The next problem is airspeed: The C-172 needs to travel at least 40 kts to maintain flight, and this is 40kts relative to the air it is in, so if it were inside the cargohold of a larger plane, it needs to be traveling 40 kts faster than the larger plane. I couldn't find a canonical reference for the C5 Galaxy's minimum speed, but I can estimate it around 140 kts.
This means that on approach to the host-plane, the smaller plane would need to be doing about 180 kts relative to the outside air. That is around the fastest speed the Cessna is capable of; it would need to be in a considerable descent at full power to achieve that speed. The propeller would be turning about 2700 RPM.
On the transition from outside the host to inside the host, the small plane needs to slow its propeller from 180kts (2700 RPM) to only 40 kts(1200 RPM). The propeller needs to slow to landing speed nearly instantaneously, otherwise the fast propeller would accelerate the smaller plane relative to its host.
Essentially, the parasite-plane would need to be in a considerable descent at full power to make an approach speed. Then as it enters the host-plane, it would need to level off and slow its propeller drastically. This seems incredibly risky.
Once you're inside the larger plane, the Cessna has a published landing roll out of about 500 feet. The C-5 Galaxy has a length of around 250 feet. So you'd need some sort of arrester cable system, like found on aircraft carriers.
So, in summary:
- Most big planes are not big enough to fit small planes inside
- Small planes cannot go fast enough to catch up to a big plane's minimum speed.
- The airspeed transition from outside a big plane to inside a big plane is extreme and sudden.
- There isn't a lot of space in a big plane for a landing roll out.
So, I would generally say "No", landing inside a larger plane seems impossible.
1$\begingroup$ You don't have to keep flying once you enter the door, and accelerating relative to the air in the plane would take time anyway, so there won't be much relative speed to arrest. There's a version of the BD-5 with a 14'3" wingspan, while the Stits SA-2A biplane spanned just over 7 feet. Yves Rossy would fit, though I'm not sure you could talk even him into flying into a net (grabbing a refueling probe while flying a wingsuit would be... interesting). Wake turbulence could need some thought at least in planning the approach. $\endgroup$ Jun 6, 2016 at 1:59
$\begingroup$ It seems likely that before anyone contemplates landing one plane inside another, both the mothership and the parasite would be specially modified or designed for that task. So the parasite could have a smaller wingspan and more power than a 172, for example. But the idea of landing inside another aircraft still seems like a bad idea--it would be much easier to modify the mothership to allow the parasite to attach outside first. $\endgroup$– David KJun 6, 2016 at 13:57
$\begingroup$ Once you start talking about specially modified / designed for a specific task, pretty much anything that was "impossible" becomes "possible". But this site is about real aviation that actually exists. Even if someone technically could make a parasite/mothership combo, I just don't see any scenario that makes it genuinely useful. $\endgroup$– abelenkyJun 6, 2016 at 14:31
1$\begingroup$ It's not that doing so would be obviously useful, or easy but that the specific arguments you raised are mostly erroneous. Even the "airspeed transition" one is a poor match for the likely actual issue of turbulence behind the carrier aircraft and at its open door. $\endgroup$ Jun 6, 2016 at 21:22
2$\begingroup$ "at least 40 kts to maintain flight, and this is 40kts relative to the air it is in, so if it were inside the cargohold of a larger plane, it needs to be traveling 40 kts faster than the larger plane" This conclusion is wrong because the question specifies that the flight should not be maintained. The landing distance could be much shorter than normal. $\endgroup$ Mar 4 at 21:38
Something similar has happened before; see Pardo's Push.
Two F-4 fighters were on a mission over Vietnam when they got hit with anti-aircraft fire. One jet lost too much fuel to be able to make it back to a tanker or air base. The pilot of the other jet, Captain Bob Pardo, used the canopy of his jet to push on the tail hook of the other jet.
This was certainly a "last resort" situation. It slowed their rate of descent just enough for them to fly further back to base. Both pilots bailed out and were rescued, eventually being awarded the Silver Star.
This was my grandpa landing on another plane in the Canadian airforce, I’m not sure how. He taught pilots in the airforce but passed when he was 40 before my dad was born so all I have to go on is what my grandma told me. My grandma would often show me this and tell me that he landed on top of another plane when I was a little girl. I found this in an old photo album last week and googled to see how and if there were other pictures but only found this thread.
4$\begingroup$ The two planes appear to have had different directional attitudes when this manoeuvre took place; I wonder how is that feasible (by producing a sideslip maybe?). Also, how did the propeller not get damaged? and lastly, why would any Air Force consent this? (even Red Bull would probably think twice!) It would be greatly appreciated if you could edit your answer to add more details if possible. Btw welcome to ASE! $\endgroup$ Mar 4 at 5:14
2$\begingroup$ I think a crane was used. $\endgroup$ Mar 4 at 21:42