There've been a lot of questions lately about tracking aircraft, and after a conversation with a friend of a friend I started wondering:

Could a PLB or EPIRB carried by a passenger or crew member aid in locating a downed or missing airliner? There are a dozen or so brands out there, most using similar technology, like this ACR ARTEX unit:

ResQLink PLB with GPS

Now, I'm well aware of the FAA and FCC regulations about electronic devices in flight, and that's not what I'm interested in. I also realize that airliners already carry an ELT.

If a paranoid passenger brought one on board, would these devices function at all from inside an airliner cabin? Some feed GPS location data to a 406MHz locator beacon, and those would potentially be less useful (as they'd have to be at hand and probably triggered manually. Others, like the Spot GPS tracker, have the ability to upload GPS track data on the fly to satellite communications networks such as Iridium.

I'm personally skeptical, given that GPS generally needs a clear view of the sky and that a fuselage seems likely to block or reduce a 406Mhz ELT signal, but I'm curious to know if there's any information out there.

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    $\begingroup$ GPS works reasonable well inside an aircraft if you are at a windows seat. On every flight I have a GPS tracker running on my phone or tablet and the track is intermittent but definitely usable. I am not sure about 406MHz or Iridium transmissions from inside. $\endgroup$
    – DeltaLima
    Mar 19, 2014 at 12:12
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    $\begingroup$ It don't see why not, but from inside the fuselage the 406MHz signal will be attenuated very much, so I doubt whether the satellites will be able to locate it. $\endgroup$
    – DeltaLima
    Mar 19, 2014 at 14:16

5 Answers 5


Relatively short answer

Cospas-Sarsat: Feasible but...

It's possible, but there are many individual elements involved. It's a matter of probability that most of the time there will be a combination preventing the link to work. If you know what to do and take care of ensuring a good direct line of sight (LOS) you may be able to avoid some of these combinations. It cannot work underwater.

Parameters that can attenuate the signal reaching the satellite receiver are of different origins:

  • The aircraft design itself (composite materials or aluminum, number of windows, ...)
  • The location of the accident (canyon, trees, ...)
  • The transmitter use (position, window proximity, metallic surface or debris interference, body proximity, ...)

I'm not aware of experiment results for using a PLB within a metallic container like a commercial aircraft cabin. It's still possible to evaluate the RF channel loss in different configuration and see if the signal can reach the receiver with the minimum required level.

As explained in the next sections about the Sarsat satellites of the international SAR service on 406 MHz:

  • The threshold for signal reception by the receiver is 161 dBW.
  • With an initial power of 7 dBW (5 W), the attenuation must be at most 168 dB
  • In good conditions we can expect an attenuation of "only" 148.1 dB. Such signal 12.9 dB stronger that the threshold can be detected easily.
  • In degraded conditions we may experiment an attenuation of 177.5 dB. Being 9.5 dB below the threshold, this signal is not detected.

Indoor transmission put the system at its limits of detection capability (a S-meter unit is 6 dB).

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Weak signal on a S-meter, S-unit is 6 dB (source)

Many small attenuation causes that, when summed, can prevent the link to work must be taken into account, hence this answer is a long one.


SPOT LLC solution you mention is a commercial messaging initiative working on 1.6 GHz, out of the Cospas-Sarsat system. Higher frequency means higher attenuation. The limited 0.4 W RF output also makes the signal weaker. It's very unlikely that SPOT could work within the cabin.


Introduction: PLB principles

Emergency PLB operate on 406 MHz. The previous 121.5 MHz civil frequency is not monitored anymore by SAR satellites, but can be used (in addition of the actual signal at 406 MHz) as a homing guide for the SAR team. They are informed about whether this homing feature is active or not by the message sent by the PLB.

  • PLB output power is 5 W (equivalences: 7 dBW 37 dBm) at 406 MHz, in vertical polarization.

  • From C/S T.004, the performance of the satellite system is:

    1. A "probability better than 95% to provide a valid solution (15 hexa identification provided) for a beacon transmitting with a 37 dBm output power (with a whip antenna) and for satellites passes with elevation above 5°)"
    2. A "probability better than 95% to provide a Doppler location with an accuracy better than 5 km"
  • There are no satellites entirely dedicated to the SAR service, rather distress signal receivers are carried as one of the payloads aboard satellites. The system is made of two constellations:

    1. GEOSAR constellation, Geostationary Earth Orbit SAR. These satellites are at fixed positions, 36,000 km above the equator, and are covering the globe except the polar regions.

    2. LEOSAR, Low Earth Orbit SAR. Satellites in near-polar (about 85°). LEOSAR is made of two sub-constellations: Sarsat satellites orbiting at 850 km, and Cospas satellites orbiting at 1,000 km.

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  • A third constellation is planned to operate at a higher altitude than LEOSAR (MEOSAR, currently not fully deployed).

  • While GEOSAR are likely to be first to detect the PLB activation due to their permanent LOS, LEOSAR will provide the best detection due to the shorter distance to the device.

I'll focus on LEOSAR / Sarsat payload which provides the best chances for the detection of a PLB signal partially blocked by RF impermeable obstacles.

Sarsat payloads

Satellites carrying a LEOSAR Sarsat payload are NOAA 15 (Sarsat 7), NOAA 18 (Sarsat 10), NOAA 19 (Sarsat 12). Other are scheduled to be active in the future (some may be already, I haven't checked). They are fitted with a SAR receiver (search and rescue processor, SARP). Sarsat satellites can be tracked on N2YO.com.

According to Cospas-Sarsat LEOSAR Space Segment Commissioning Standard - C/S T.004, a SARP-2 has a sensitivity of -161 dBW, and SARP-3 -164 dBW (that's about 60 attowatts to be compared with a cellular phone cell: -134 dBW, 1,000 times less sensitive).

Can this small quantity be delivered to the SARP from the inside of a cabin?.. This is a matter of knowing the initial power, and determining the loss along the wave path until the signal reaches the receiver.

The power generated by the transmitter amplifier is 5 W, or 7 dBW. 161 dBW on the receiver means receiving a 1 W signal that has been attenuated by 161 dB. If we have already 7 dBW at the source, we can bear a maximum attenuation of 168 dB.

Main loss inventory

Propagation loss in direct view

The most important part of the signal will be lost in the atmosphere between the antenna of the PLB and the antenna of the SARP.

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Loss due to distance

Loss is dependent on two factors: distance and wavelength. Both factors limit the area of the receiving antenna compared to the whole sphere of the wave front, and in consequence the portion of energy received is smaller too.

  • Using the propagation model ITU-R P.525 (free-space propagation).
  • Distance = 850 km, f = 406 MHz.
  • Assuming isotropic antennas for the time being.
  • According to the model, the loss (dB) is:
    Lbf = 20 log(4πd/λ)
    . = 32.4 + 20 log(f) + 20 log(d)
    . = 32.4 + 20 log(406) + 20 log(850)
    . = 143 dB

The signal that left the PLB antenna reaches the SARP antenna -143 dB weaker, assuming the best antenna alignment. But this is never the case, because when in a polar orbit, the satellite is unlikely to be exactly above the beacon.

Misalignment of the receiving antenna

There will be an angle between the nadir of the SARP and the beacon. This off-nadir angle, depends on the actual track of the satellite for the current orbit:

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Target off-nadir

The gain of the antenna varies according to this angle. Sarsat-TIROS SARP Receive Antenna (UDA) Gain Pattern:

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UDA antenna gain at different off-nadir angles (source)

Assuming the polarization is favorable (RHCP), the gain may varies between +2 dB and -10 dB. Note that:

  • The gain is better when the off-nadir angle is large. This is likely to compensate the higher distance to the beacon.

  • I'll assume a link length f 850 km, but the actual length is larger when the beacon is not directly at the satellite's nadir.

We should now work with the probability distribution of the misalignment for the LEOSAR antennas to have the full range of possibilities and their likelihood (e.g. Monte-Carlo simulation). To simplify, let's just use a bad case: -4.4 dB (this is not the worst possible). Loss so far: -147.4 dB (-143 - 4.4).

Attenuation due to feeder and duplexer

On the satellite, the SARP is connected to an antenna via a duplexer to isolate the SARP uplink antenna from the SARR downlink signal (SAR repeater used on local mode, not detailed here):

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Hardware on the Sarsat satellite (source)

The duplexer + feeder loss is -1.6 dB. Loss so far: -149 dB (-147.4 - 1.6).

Loss margin left

We had a budget for -168 dB loss, we have used -149 dB. The margin until the PLB signal is lost by the SARP is 19 dB, assuming we are in this configuration:

  1. PLB is outdoor.
  2. The LOS is completely clear, no foliage, no roof, etc.
  3. PLB antenna has no gain/loss (0 dB gain).
  4. PLB antenna is vertical, this is the normal use of the SAR device.
  5. PLB antenna and RF output stage impedances match (no SWR).
  6. There is no atmospheric loss (free space)

Additional losses

It's time to re-look at the assumption made until here, and take into account the additional effects encountered when the PLB is used from the cabin of a crashed aircraft.

  1. PLB is outdoor.

    • Actually the PLB is behind a cabin window.
    • From Arkema:
      "Most formulations of colorless Plexiglas sheet readily transmit standard broadcast, television and most radar waves of the electromagnetic spectrum". It can been assumed that windows (including the internal protection sheet) don't block the PLB signal. Loss = 0 dB.

    • In the cabin, numerous reflections will occur on the wall, and due to the closed space with only small windows, it's likely the reflected signals will globally interfere in a destructive way (phase mismatch) with the original signal.

    • If the PLB is displaced, even by a small amount, the reflections are changed. The RF energy actually vary continuously, creating a fading effect. Reflections has been studied in somehow comparable environments, for UHF frequencies. While the frequency was a bit higher, and the environment was a simple one, we can use the results for a rough order of magnitude:

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      RFID signal (915 MHz) loss due to reflections (source)
      The spatial fading is visible, at some distances reflected signals add, at other they subtract. This loss is also known as multipath effect. The signal may be attenuated by 10 dB or more compared to free space.

    • Each reflection has also the potential to change the polarization. See next point.

  2. PLB antenna is vertical, this is the normal use of the SAR device.

    • The transmitter and receiver antenna polarization must match or an attenuation occurs. The polarization of an antenna describes the plane in which the electric field is transmitted. For a simple antenna, made of a single active element, the electric field is sent in the plane of the element:

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      Vertically and horizontally polarized waves (source)

    • Vertical polarization creates less reflection on the ground, which is usually what is desired, so a PLB creates a vertical polarization, but only if the antenna is kept vertical, else the polarization will follow the antenna orientation.

    • To cop with both linear vertical and horizontal polarizations, and everything in between, the SARP antenna is designed to be circularly polarized, and is able to receive both in good conditions, but not optimal conditions:

      linearly polarized antennas will work with circularly polarized antennas and vice versa. However, there will be up to a 3 dB loss in signal strength. In weak signal situations, this loss of signal may impair communications (source).

    • The antenna on the satellite should be like this:

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      Helical, circularly polarized, antenna (source)
  3. The LOS is completely clear, no foliage, no roof, etc.

    • Indeed, if there is a metallic obstacle in the LOS and there is no possibility for reflections (no hole in the metallic cabin), no signal is transmitted. This could happen if the PLB were surrounded by metallic debris from the airplane wreckage.

    • Else there is a volume (the Fresnel zone) between the transmitter and the receiver that must be free of obstacles. This zone is an ellipsoid around the LOS. If obstacles are present there will be diffraction and reflection. Diffraction scatters the signal (no need to have knife-edge corners), and reflection deviates it, which could be a positive effect when there is no clear LOS.

    • Dense vegetation or heavy foliage on the LOS: There is water in plants, a loss occurs, typically larger than 0.1 dB/m at 406 MHz. We can use models to evaluate the attenuation:

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      (Source, page 155)

      Example: The aircraft crashed in a forest. The aircraft is surrounded by 25 m trees, except in the direction from which it came.

      Satellites low on the horizon will not be accessible: GEOSAR satellites over the equator are usually low on the horizon when viewed for medium latitudes, and some orbits of LEOSAR will be hidden by the trees due to the loss exceeding -15 dB as soon as the depth of foliage is 50 m (slant depth). This depth can be quickly encountered, leaving a small free field of view from a window (it would be larger for the windshield though):

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      Tree trench created by crash-landing in a forest

  4. PLB antenna has no gain/loss (0 dB gain).

    • This is likely the case for many PLB. PLB antenna seems to be a shortened 1/4 λ whip. Antennas are measured against an hypothetical perfect antenna (isotropic antenna), and the ratio of amplification is expressed in dBi (dB comparing to isotropic). dBi and dB are equivalent in the current discussion as the isotropic antenna has a gain of 0 dB.
  5. PLB antenna and RF output stage impedances match (no SWR).

    • In order for the current out of the PLB RF amplifier to be radiated entirely by the antenna, PLB output impedance and antenna impedance must be equal. As soon as there is a mismatch, a part of the RF current is not converted into an electromagnetic wave and returns to the amplifier, mixing with the current flowing in the other direction. The result is the appearance of standing waves in the PLB device. The ratio of SW is smartly named SW ratio (SWR). PLB are stated having a SWR less than 1.5 or 2 in their specifications. The corresponding loss is 0.2 and 0.5 dB. Not so much.

    • The impedance of the antenna varies greatly as soon as the antenna is not in a free space. A common cause is that a part of the body (containing water) is close to the antenna, or touching it. This could easily lead to a loss of 10 dB. The radiative efficiency of the antenna (gain) also suffers: Touching the antenna is like deforming it. Its characteristics are changed. For example is is no more optimized for the signal frequency to radiate. So in addition of SW appearance, the current that reaches the radiator is also poorly converted into waves. In your scenario it is important to use the PLB as intended, the antenna being unobstructed.

  6. There is no atmospheric loss (free space).

    • This is another effect difficult to estimate, as it varies with time of the day, weather aspects and Sun activity.

    • Oxygen and water vapor play an important role. From ITU-R P.676-10:

      enter image description here Attenuation in dB per km (source)

      It seems for UHF the absorption is rather limited, so let's ignore it.

    • Other losses are due to sporadic electrical activities in the ionosphere. They are more difficult to estimate, and they translate into noise rather than attenuating the signal received by the SARP. Other elements like the capability of the SARP to reject noise would also need to be considered.

    • Ionosphere anomalies could potentially introduce errors in the Doppler localization.

Bottom line

Let's recapitulate the losses we have discussed:

 - Impedance mismatch / SWR:                 -0.5 dB
 - Transmitter antenna gain:                 +0 dB
 - Reflection in the cabin:                  -0 to -10 dB (center).
 - Cabin window:                             -0 dB
 - Fresnel obstruction and trees:            -0 to -15 dB
 - Free space loss:                          -143 dB
 - Absorption by atmosphere gases            -0 dB
 - Other propagation losses:                 Not evaluated.
 - Off-nadir angle:                          -0 to -4.4 dB
 - Linear to circular polarization mismatch: -3 dB
 - Satellite duplexer:                       -1.6 dB

                               Acceptable:   -168   dB
                               Best case:    -148.1 dB
                               Worst case:   -177.5 dB

The worst case is encountered when:

  • The PLB experiments the higher level of reflected waves. This can be eliminated by being very close to the window, and shielding the rest of the cabin with something metallic, but not too close.

  • The Fresnel ellipsoid is blocked by trees. Not much freedom here. LEOSAT will hopefully have orbits with sufficient high elevation to be out of the obstacles. If the aircraft is really covered by deep foliage, there is no much chance for a successful link.

  • The aircraft is at the nadir of the satellite. The SARP antenna is optimized for off-nadir locations (no sure off-nadir locations will be better served, due to the increased slant distance, that would need to be checked). Too bad if the aircraft is in a forest.

Note that carrying a personal locator doesn't cause a safety problem, as it doesn't transmit before being activated. Activation will be either manual (usually for PLB) or by sensing a large acceleration (seems limited to ELT). I don't know if the security guys at the airport will let you board with a transmitter. It should be easier to persuade the pilots.

Case of a SPOT device

Compared to the numerous documents that describe governments-financed SAR service on 406 MHz, SPOT is a more confusing solution.

This is not related to SPOT, the observation satellite family built by Astrium. GEOS IERCC (International Emergency Response Coordination Center) has no link with the GEOS satellites family launch by Nasa some decades ago. It is not either GOES, the geostationary satellites that support GEOSAR.

Globalstar is a large satellite phone company owning satellites. SPOT LLC is a subsidiary of Globalstar providing satellite data links and related sets for messaging and voice communications. GEOS-Alliance has launched a privately-owned assistance service based on SPOT capabilities. GEOS-Alliance services are sold online, and by retaillers.

From SPOT website:

SPOT Gen3 provides location-based messaging and emergency notification technology that allows you to communicate from remote locations around the globe. It offers custom tracking interval options, motion-activated tracking, long-life battery and more.

In short:

  • Instead of buying a SAR transmitter and then having the service for free, the GEOS-Alliance subscriber receives a transmitter and pays an annual fee.

  • Instead of having the SAR device connected to the SAR organizations worldwide through the LUTs and MCCs/RCCs, the subscriber is connected to GEOS which calls the local emergency services on your behalf.

The technology behind:

  • SPOT/Globalstar seems to use LEO spacecraft at 1,414 km instead of 850 km for Sarsat, with a 52° inclination instead of 85°, meaning their coverage could be reduced.

  • SPOT messengers are limited to 0.4 W instead of 5 W for Sarsat, maybe because of regulations, as they can be used without actually signaling a distress situation.

  • Globalstar frequency used is 1.6 GHz, instead of 406 MHz for Sarsat.

It seems that these three technical differences are not going to make SPOT devices as efficient as Sarsat:

  • Using the same ITU-R P.525: Lbf = 20 log(4πd/λ) gives a free space loss of 159 dB upfront, to be compared to the 143 dB for Sarsat (difference: -16 dB).
  • 0.4 W = -4 dBW instead of 7 dBW for Sarsat (difference: -11 dB).
  • We may add a loss of 1 dB for the atmosphere absorption at this frequency.

If I'm not wrong, that's already a difference of -28 dB at the receiver. It must be very sensitive, or be liked to hi-gain antennas to compete with the governments-operated SAR. That's not going to make it from within the cabin of an aircraft with a limited LOS, and sometimes this seems to even not work well in the open space.

Reference documents

  • C/S A.003: Cospas-Sarsat System Monitoring and Reporting
  • C/S G.003: Introduction to the Cospas-Sarsat System
  • C/S G.004: Cospas-Sarsat Glossary
  • C/S G.006: Cospas-Sarsat System Assessment
  • C/S G.008: Operational Requirements For Cospas-Sarsat Second Generation. 406 Mhz Beacons
  • C/S T.001: Specification for Cospas-Sarsat 406 MHz Distress Beacons
  • C/S T.003: Description of the Payloads Used in the Cospas-Sarsat LEOSAR System
  • C/S T.004: Cospas-Sarsat LEOSAR Space Segment Commissioning Standard
  • C/S T.011: Description of the 406 Mhz Payloads Used in the Cospas-Sarsat GEOSAR System

More Sarsat documentation: Cospas-Sarsat site

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    $\begingroup$ Actually things are common knowledge, but if you want to clarify or have and external confirmation I'm interested in sources discussing transmit performance through an aircraft cabin, mostly. I get the theory, and everything you said agrees with what I know, but I haven't been able to find any articles or other information actually stating whether or not your PLB signal would ever reach a satellite from inside an airliner cabin. $\endgroup$
    – egid
    Mar 25, 2016 at 5:39
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    $\begingroup$ @egid: Done! Feel free to tell me if something seems wrong. $\endgroup$
    – mins
    Mar 28, 2016 at 22:06
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    $\begingroup$ Did you.. did you really call this a "relatively short answer"? EDIT: Yeah, you did. I checked. It took me a couple minutes of scrolling tho. xD $\endgroup$ Mar 29, 2016 at 9:21
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    $\begingroup$ If this isn't the best explained and made out answer on Aviation SE, I don't know what it. Did you create those illustrations yourself for this answer? $\endgroup$
    – Firee
    Mar 29, 2016 at 9:42
  • $\begingroup$ @Firee: Thanks :-) I draw some of them with Inkscape. $\endgroup$
    – mins
    Mar 29, 2016 at 23:23

I have a SPOT Beacon that I use for occasional adventures: mostly flying small planes and kayaking. But its small enough I generally carry it with me when I fly commercial.

Spot Becaon

Because it connects to satellites, no one needs to be nearby to "hear" it. I can press the SOS button most anyplace in the world and summon help.

There are some remote parts of the ocean where there is not good satellite coverage, (see the coverage map), but generally it may help in an emergency.

I don't know if such a device would work from inside a commercial airliner. I do know I've been able to get GPS signals by pressing a GPS receiver up against a cabin window, but it is slow to acquire the GPS lock. I don't know if it could transmit to the satellite network through the cabin window.

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    $\begingroup$ Unfortunately it doesn't work underwater. The min/max operating altitude range is -328ft to +21,320ft. $\endgroup$ Mar 5, 2015 at 1:14
  • $\begingroup$ That is getting pretty pedantic: SPOT messages their monitored service, who calls and coordinates with S&R. SPOT has many documented saves. $\endgroup$
    – abelenky
    Mar 25, 2016 at 22:53
  • $\begingroup$ On my SPOT, I set my profile to explicitly state that I'm a pilot, flying. I try to update it for a current flight plan and tail number on each flight. And based on SPOTs rescue history: they do take reports seriously. (Okay... maybe not if the report is coming from the interstate on a clear day. But if there is no reason to distrust the report, they do, in fact, follow up aggressively). Other info on that page is misleading, such as: SPOT has 400mw, but EPIRBS have 5W! (enough power to reach the satellite network is enough... more is not better) $\endgroup$
    – abelenky
    Mar 25, 2016 at 23:11
  • $\begingroup$ I will add that my phone's GPS does receive signal when within an airline cabin, at least when sitting in the window seat and holding the phone in normal positions in front of me (not pressed up against the window). $\endgroup$
    – J W
    Mar 26, 2016 at 12:47
  • $\begingroup$ This answer doesn't seem to say anything more than "I saw this package at CostCo and I read the brochure, and listen to me defend my purchase with stuff out of the brochure". It does not reflect even awareness that SPOT is a commercial knock-off of a better system - the system OP is asking about, by the way, which makes this OT and kind-of an advert. Imagine if you saw a question about making orange juice with Seville oranges, and an answer sung the virtues of Tang... $\endgroup$ Oct 30, 2019 at 17:00

These personal locator beacons actually operate via the Cospas-Sarsat system of international search & rescue beacons, nothing to do with Iridium which is a commercial system. The have been known to transmit a signal perfectly well through things like a locked metal cabinet in a basement of a house with the antenna retracted and still summon help, in that case by error though.

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    $\begingroup$ could you provide some links/sources? $\endgroup$
    – Federico
    Jul 10, 2014 at 13:16
  • $\begingroup$ "They have been known to transmit a signal perfectly well through things like a locked metal cabinet in a basement of a house with". Ah that will be a problem for engineers in charge of shielding devices. If waves now exit a metallic box, it's likely they will also enter cable shields or things like that. $\endgroup$
    – mins
    Mar 24, 2016 at 20:28
  • $\begingroup$ What you say is only true for 406MHz ELTs. There are competitors trying to sell a commercial version that piggybacks on the sat phone networks. SPOT being the most visible example. They've gotten in trouble for saying theirs is comparable to a 406, though their ability to do routine pings means it leaves a trail of breadcrumbs. @mins don't discount Dave's experience; probably the most common call the ELT responders make is to airport groundskeepers to investigate an ELT beacon going off in a GA hangar. Most GA hangars are corrugated steel roofs and walls. $\endgroup$ Oct 30, 2019 at 16:33
  • $\begingroup$ @Harper: I agree a small signal may escape as soon as the enclosing walls don't create a good Faraday mesh, but definitely not supporting ELT being "known to transmit a signal perfectly well through things like a locked metal cabinet in a basement of a house with the antenna retracted". This can be easily confirmed by wrapping a smartphone into aluminum foil. $\endgroup$
    – mins
    Oct 30, 2019 at 17:34
  • $\begingroup$ @mins ... or wrapping it in the building I'm in right now - I get the idea. On the other hand, "Find My Phone" worked (2-way) with my phone inside the money safe at a restaurant! If I read between the lines, I think Dave is telling us about the time the fire department showed up owing to an ELT going off in a gun safe in the basement. Just because signal doesn't usually get out, doesn't mean it never does or can't - that seems proven. ELT is much lower frequency , and will try, try, try. $\endgroup$ Oct 30, 2019 at 17:48

ELTs do not normally use GPS. There are newer GPS reporting devices that do use GPS, although they cost more. They work inside vehicles because the signal goes through the window. Commercial planes usually have 2 of them, one in the tail and another portable one in a forward locker or bin. Feel free to bring a bag of them onboard. Do not accidentally activate it or you will piss people off big time. They are designed to work in water and are automatically activated when submerged.

  • $\begingroup$ 406MHz ELTs do, in fact, use GPS (if available). Older 121.5 ELTs only broadcast a ping for homing. The question, however, was not asking about ELTs in the aviation sense but EPIRBs in the mountaineering sense. $\endgroup$
    – egid
    Mar 5, 2015 at 20:37

No, they couldn't. EPIRB beacons have a very short range, by the time you get a signal you'd also have a signal from the beacons in for example the flight data recorder.
You seem (like a lot of people) under the impression that GPS receivers send their location to the satellite which then sends it somewhere to a data center where it can be retrieved. This is incorrect. The device only reads from the satellite network, calculating its position based on signals from the satellites. And it then uses either a short range radio transmitter or a cellphone network to transmit that location to interested parties. But of course in the middle of nowhere there are no cellphone towers and a short range radio doesn't help if the nearest recipient is far away.
On a ski slope that's no problem, as you're in civilisation and not far from help. In the middle of the ocean it's of no use whatsoever.

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    $\begingroup$ You may be interested to read about Distress radiobeacons. The point of the PLB system is that the location of the beacon is transmitted to a satellite network upon activation, particularly to cover situations where there is no cell phone or short range radio coverage. $\endgroup$ Mar 19, 2014 at 10:14
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    $\begingroup$ That's not what the OP actually says though. Also, from the ResQLink page, "the ResQLink PLB quickly and accurately relays your position to a worldwide network of search and rescue satellites". An avalanche beacon is something different, which doesn't use satellite comms. $\endgroup$ Mar 19, 2014 at 10:24
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    $\begingroup$ Modern EPIRBs (Emergency Position Indicating Reporting Beacons) transmit their (GPS derived) position to Search and Rescue satellites. $\endgroup$
    – DeltaLima
    Mar 19, 2014 at 12:07
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    $\begingroup$ @jwenting I am not saying that transmitting is not needed, I say they don't need to transmit their position to be located. Just transmitting the distress signal on 406MHz long enough allows it to be located by satellites. Never mind, you have been provided enough links to see for yourself how the system works. $\endgroup$
    – DeltaLima
    Mar 19, 2014 at 14:05
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    $\begingroup$ I'm not under that impression at all. The beacons I'm referring to are active 406MHz personal ELTs or lightweight GPS locators that transmit positions via Iridium, as I stated in my question. You're making a lot of assumptions, rather than following the links @DeltaLima is providing. $\endgroup$
    – egid
    Mar 19, 2014 at 14:05

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