From watching planes land at DIA on Flightradar24, none seem to ever land on 16R (longest runway in the US at a length of 16,000 ft), but instead land on a runway 4,000 ft shorter such as runway 16L (12,000ft). So why do even large planes like the 747 not land on the longer runway to have an easier landing?

Airport diagram showing location of 16R/34L

  • $\begingroup$ @fooot No, but I used to look at flightradar everyday for about 2 months and never saw any airplane land on the runway. I edited the question, instead of saying never I said rarely. $\endgroup$ – Ethan Sep 9 '15 at 21:41
  • $\begingroup$ You could mention that you watch but never see airplanes land there, and maybe the 747 as a case where you most expected it. $\endgroup$ – fooot Sep 9 '15 at 21:42
  • $\begingroup$ @fooot I have seen a few 747's land on radar and none landed on the runway. Its not just 747's it can be 767's or 777's that I have seen on radar land at the airport, but never used the long runway. $\endgroup$ – Ethan Sep 9 '15 at 21:44
  • $\begingroup$ I edited the question to make the wording more about why planes don't land on that runway in general, rather than why one specifically didn't. $\endgroup$ – fooot Sep 9 '15 at 21:52
  • $\begingroup$ Since a 7x7 can land on the 12,000' runway 16L, there's no need for it to land on the 16,000' 16R, therefore, there's no need to push traffic to the west and make it have a longer taxi into the terminal. I'm sure when things get really busy, they use 16L/34R. $\endgroup$ – FreeMan Sep 10 '15 at 12:48

KDEN has a lot of runways, so they have the option of not always using some of them. As FreeMan pointed out, 12,000 feet is plenty for just about any aircraft flying in or out, even at 5,300 feet elevation. Being such a long runway, it may also be good to leave it open so that no aircraft need to be moved in case an aircraft declaring emergency would need the extra length. Runway use will depend on the wind and traffic, so depending on when you are observing, you may not often see conditions where it is used.

North flow: arrivals on 34L could interfere with runway 7/25, and for departures it is further from the terminal than 34R. TomMcW also points out potential noise abatement concerns.

South flow: departures on 16R could interfere with runway 7/25, and for arrivals it is further from the terminal than 16L.

Even with 17L/35R currently closed it is not always necessary to use 16R/34L. 8/26 and 7/25 can be used for east/west departures and arrivals, and 17R/35L can be used as well.

Runway 16R/34L can still be used as a secondary runway though. It can certainly be used as 16R for parallel approaches with 16L, or departures as 34L with approaches on 34R.

To put things in perspective, Denver has more runways than both KLAX and KATL, which see more aircraft movements.

Also, while far from authoritative, the virtual Denver ARTCC lists 16R/34L as a secondary runway in all situations.

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    $\begingroup$ Doesn't help the OP, but this planning document suggests that 16R/34L is a primary use runway in all situations. faa.gov/airports/planning_capacity/profiles/media/… $\endgroup$ – BowlOfRed Sep 10 '15 at 16:50
  • $\begingroup$ @BowlOfRed Thanks for the info. The document lists all runways, but 16R/34L is down on the list, and it does say: In 2003 DEN commissioned a new runway, 16R/34L, which typically experiences mixed use. $\endgroup$ – fooot Sep 10 '15 at 16:59

What time are you usually watching radar?
Just a guess, but the following paragraph from this document would suggest noise abatement procedures.

Runways 34L and 34R : Aircraft will be assigned headings of 355 to 010 degrees. Intersection departures on Runway 34L permitted if user has signed an agreement with the City and County of Denver regarding terms of use . The City may request that FAA stop allowing intersection departures if the City determines that use of the procedure is resulting in detrimental noise impacts

This map shows you might not want to buy a house off the north end of the runway!

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    $\begingroup$ Note that the airport owns much more land than it uses operationally so it's not possible to buy a house particularly close to the runway ends, unless the airport sells you the land. The airport owns 53 square miles but all the runways fit into a rectangle of about 25 square miles and an irregular shape of about 12 square miles. $\endgroup$ – David Richerby Sep 10 '15 at 7:42
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    $\begingroup$ Let's just hope the airport never sells off the extra land and allows residential development. You know the first thing the new residents will do is complain about the noise - that's been there for 10,15, 20 years before they chose to move in! /rant... $\endgroup$ – FreeMan Sep 10 '15 at 12:42
  • $\begingroup$ This is one possibility. However I was listening yesterday and they were south flow, and seemed to be using 16L but not 16R, so this isn't the whole picture. $\endgroup$ – fooot Sep 10 '15 at 14:31

Twelve thousand feet is a really long runway; during clear & dry conditions the extra four thousand feet of 16R isn't any added value.

Where the extra length becomes really valuable is takeoff during winter ops when the runways have enough snow on them that braking action (i.e. in the event of an aborted takeoff) is degraded, and the anti-ice systems on the aircraft are all running (reduces engine performance), and you have some really heavy aircraft. At that point, given the high altitude at KDEN, then the extremely long runway DOES become more advantageous than the others -- especially for those heavy weight & performance limited aircraft.

But for landings on good weather days when the airport has 6 strips of concrete (actually 5 at the moment, as 17L/35R is closed for repairs for some length of time) to choose from, you simply don't need them all. Departing on 16R probably won't happen, because it's such a long taxi from the terminals, but departing on 34L seems fairly common... depending on where you're starting from, it's no more of a taxi than runway 8 or 25. I've also landed (fairly recently, in fact) on 16R during good weather summer ops: arrivals from the west were getting 16R and arrivals from the east were getting 16L. Departures were using 17R (not an ideal runway for arrivals anyway, given the taxi back north to the terminals), and the east/west runways were either being inspected or temporarily shut down so they could reverse the flow (i.e. switching from landing 26 to departing on 8, and/or landing on 7 to departing 25, or vice versa).

And I've landed on 16L enough times with traffic for the parallel 16R close by, that I don't think I agree with the premise of the question.

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    $\begingroup$ I would assume it's also valuable in the hot summer months, given Denver's altitude. A heavy taking off to, say, Asia at 100F from a runway that sits above 5,300' is going to need quite a bit of runway. $\endgroup$ – reirab Oct 20 '15 at 15:20
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    $\begingroup$ @reirab Exactly. I vaguely remember a press release when they built that runway which stated the reason was to allow a fully loaded B777 departure in the summer to support a non-stop to Japan. $\endgroup$ – Gerry Feb 14 at 17:47

16R/34L is normally used for departures only. Having a long runway for departures ensures that even the largest aircraft can depart fully loaded. I do see a couple of configurations utilizing that runway for arrivals, but it's always in VMC conditions when the airport is in a south configuration.

You can check the typical runway configurations for any major airport in the US on the FAA's OIS webpage. (http://www.fly.faa.gov/ois/). On the left side of the page, click on East Directory or West Directory. Expand the directory tree under the ARTCC (ZDV for Denver, for example) desired and then click on the airport. The resulting table will show you typical configurations and the number of aircraft arrivals per hour that can be accommodated under each configuration.


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