# What are the advantages and disadvantages of have the wing positioned further aft on an airplane?

I've noticed that there is some variation in the location of the wing on airliners: The Boeing 737 has its wing mounted near the midpoint of the fuselage:

while other aircraft like the CRJ or the Airbus concept plane shown below have the wing mounted further aft.

What are the advantages or disadvantages to these wing locations, and why might a designer pick one over the other.

• Commented Aug 17, 2015 at 22:35
• Look where the engines are. Engines are heavy. The wing is where the center of gravity requires it to be. Commented Aug 18, 2015 at 6:58

The overall centre of lift must be coincident (in the horizontal plane) with the centre of gravity, otherwise the plane would tip over forward or backward.

Since most planes have a large wing that contributes most of the lift and a small horizontal stabilizer that only contributes a little bit, the main wing needs to be close to the centre of gravity. So the wing is mounted further aft if the centre of gravity is further aft.

Now the cargo will always have its centre of gravity near the centre of the fuselage. So if the empty aircraft has aft centre of gravity, loading it will cause larger change of the CG position and for this it needs larger horizontal stabilizer so it can provide enough balancing force.

• The cargo's centre of gravity being near the centre of the fuselage is only a given if: a) the centre of the cargo hold coincides with the centre of the fuselage as a whole, b) the aircraft is loaded to capacity, c) all the cargo is the same density, and d) the cargo is properly loaded. None of which are necessarily true. Commented Nov 1, 2018 at 22:02
• @Sean, d is true by requirement. If it isn't, the aircraft won't fly. Each aircraft has a weight and balance specification and you must load the cargo so its centre of gravity is within the specified range. Commented Nov 2, 2018 at 9:43
• a) cargo loaders are not always competent (judging from the number of accidents in which improperly-loaded cargo was either a contributing factor or the main probable cause), and b) if the centre of gravity isn't too far outside the limits, the aircraft will probably still be capable of flight (at least initially), albeit with a seriously degraded margin of safety and the vast majority of its pitch control authority in the direction opposing the pitching moment caused by the misloaded cargo used up in opposing said pitching moment. Commented Nov 3, 2018 at 2:44
• This is why a sliding cargo bay floor might be better than the monstrous tail of the Hercules. Simply mount a roller at CG. When done loading, pull the floor forward until it tips. Load, and plane, now balanced. Commented Nov 3, 2018 at 3:03

The wings produce not only lift, but also a pitching moment. Usually, it is destabilizing in the sense that it causes nose up of the aircraft as the aerodynamic center is in front of the cg (which causes further nose up and so on). This moment is then counteracted by the tail.

As we move the wing to the aft, the stability increases and once the wing is behind the c.g, the aircraft becomes stable.

Although this is stable, the configuration causes a nose down moment when lift is increased. However, we also want that the aircraft be trimmed (i.e. at moment equilibrium at the desired c.g).

With single wing, this is not easy with a reasonable static margin. Another thing is that as the wing is moved aft, the c.g also shifts aft.

It is possible to have wings in the rear. In that case, it becomes necessary to add a canard for controlling at he aircraft. A good example would be the Gyroflung Speed Canard.

As already noted, the aircraft has a canard for control.

The location of the engine and wing are related. As the engines are moved aft, the c.g. shifts in that direction and the wing is moved aft to reduce the tail surface needed.

• The wing does not need to be aft of CG to make the plane stable. The condition for stability is that the forward airfoil must fly at higher AoA than the rear one, but that becomes true when the wing is still slightly forward of CG. When the wing moves aft of CG, the AoA on the horizontal stabilizer becomes negative, but that is not needed for stability, though it obviously improves it. Commented Aug 18, 2015 at 6:43

Rear placement of the wing was heavily influenced in design philosophy by the effort to develop planforms for supersonic flight, but goes back to the earliest days of powered flight. It is important to remember that in the bewildering variety of aircraft shapes and sizes, the physics for stable and safe flight remain the same.

In subsonic flight rear wing placement offers the advantage of rear engine/propeller placement by which improves efficiency. However, this is offset by the need for much larger vertical and horizontal stabilizers, as stability torque arms are now much shorter. Also of concern is keeping the pitch nuetral point behind the CG, which assists pitching nose down in a sink. These issues plagued the Army Air Force Ascender design and was only remedied by adding more area aft of CG. One silver lining is that this is not a problem with canard/delta designs, but deltas do not produce lift as efficiently as straight wings. Careful checking shows that amazing speed and fuel consumption benefits comes more from weight savings of lighter composites than from futuristic swept designs, though they are beautiful.

So for recreational aircraft the tried and true Piper Cub type design is one of the best one can pick.