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Maybe this isn't the right forum for this question but anyway:

WHY does a jet engine work?

I know how it works: compress Air -> inject fuel -> ignite -> expand -> thrust

But why does this work? Some energy from the expansion is used to turn the turbine which powers the compressor. Why is this self sustaining?

btw: It seems to be tricky to keep a jet engine running. There are examples that airliner engines sometime stall (Loss of airflow/compression in the engine)

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    $\begingroup$ Well it's not really self-sustaining, because energy is being added in the form of fuel. $\endgroup$ – fooot Jul 1 '15 at 22:29
  • $\begingroup$ Your provided stall example has nothing to do with airflow or compression the engine threw a blade due to fatigue gov.uk/aaib-reports/airbus-a330-243-g-omyt-24-june-2013 $\endgroup$ – Dave Jul 1 '15 at 23:11
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    $\begingroup$ What do you mean by "why"? It works because working is compatible with the laws of physics. Why are the laws of physics the way they are? That's not a question accessible to science. $\endgroup$ – David Richerby Jul 2 '15 at 7:35
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    $\begingroup$ Physics SE has already answered exactly this question $\endgroup$ – Peter Kämpf Jul 2 '15 at 9:31
  • $\begingroup$ possible duplicate $\endgroup$ – Manu H Jul 2 '15 at 14:02
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Some energy from the expansion is used to turn the turbine which powers the compressor

And in some engines it turns the turbine which has a large fan attached to the other end. The engine produces more power than needed to run itself.

Inside the engine, everything is a very careful balance of pressures. Basically the job done by valves in a piston engine is done by careful engineering in a turbine, which is one of the reasons they cost so much. The inflow to the combustion chamber balances the outflow to the power turbine to the point where it wants to go that way - get it a little bit out of balance and you have noisy stalls like you see in the referenced video.

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    $\begingroup$ The linked video shows a turbine blade failure, not a stall. $\endgroup$ – David Richerby Jul 2 '15 at 7:39
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There are a few points I will make but first off a jet engine is NOT self sustaining. It takes the input of fuel to keep running. The fuel is the source of energy that keeps it running. Now lets look at the mechanics a bit, to simplify things I will use a Ramjet instead of a turbine driven jet since the compression is taken care of by the simple shape of the engine, no moving parts. Lets assume the jet is moving (ram jets dont work at zero speed).

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  1. When the engine is thrust forward air enters the front
  2. The shape of the nozzle compresses (squeezes) the air
  3. Fuel is mixed into the air (same as in a carb)
  4. The air/fuel mixture enters the combustion chamber
  5. The air/fuel mixture is ignited
  6. The ignited mixture expands and is directed out of the back
  7. The engine (as a result of newtons 3rd law) moves forward (opposite reaction) 7b. The air/fuel ignition contained enough energy to not only move the engine but the craft as well. Total Energy = Energy to Drive Engine + Energy to Move Object
  8. The forward moving force causes air to enter the front of the engine
  9. Back to step 1.

To make this all work the output energy has to be greater than the energy needed to compress the air. This energy comes from the fuel that is added to the mixture. Jet fuel has about 46 MJ/Kg.

In the case of a turbine engine we simply introduce a compressor mechanism. Instead of relying on the shape of the engine to compress the air, some of the output energy is sacrificed to spin (and operate) the compressor mechanism. It should be noted that shape does play a roll in turbine jets as well.

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  • $\begingroup$ Great answer of how it works, but not why. $\endgroup$ – FreeMan Jul 2 '15 at 3:57
  • $\begingroup$ @FreeMan, and right you are. But the OP said he knew the how, just not the why, which is why I didn't include the how. I tend to take people at their word. Every now and then that get me into trouble. $\endgroup$ – BillDOe Jul 2 '15 at 5:19
  • $\begingroup$ the how is they why, the why is nothing more than "the laws of physics" or "you are adding energy in the form of fuel". The definition of the word why is "a reason or explanation" this is an explanation. Not that I want to open a can of worms on the difference though. $\endgroup$ – Dave Jul 2 '15 at 13:14
  • $\begingroup$ I'm interested in the reason why the expansion from burning the fuel does not push against the air coming from the compressor but instead pushed towards the turbine section $\endgroup$ – Bigbohne Jan 26 '18 at 18:16
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Basically, the energy released by burning fuel is used to compress and accelerate the airflow through the engine. While you correctly note that the turbines pull some of that energy back out of the airflow and use it to keep the engine spinning, this is a relatively small fraction. Since accelerating the air backwards produces an equal magnitude, opposite direction force on the engine itself, a large forward force is applied to the engine, which is then ideally used to accelerate the airplane forwards and/or counter the aerodynamic drag forces on the airplane in order to maintain speed during flight.

As far as why the flow remains front-to-back through a turbine engine core, this has to do with which side is applying more force to the airflow. The compressor stages are designed to produce more force on the air than the turbine stages are, so the net acceleration on the air is toward the back of the engine. This question covers the topic of airflow through the engine more thoroughly. This question on Physics.SE also addresses this topic.

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  • $\begingroup$ Perhaps OP is wondering why the hot gases flow out the back end instead of out of the front? $\endgroup$ – Koyovis Jan 17 '18 at 7:05
  • $\begingroup$ exactly. Why don't the gasses flow out of the front? $\endgroup$ – Bigbohne Jan 26 '18 at 11:31
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Newton's Third Law of motion states "For every force of action, there is an equal and opposite force of reaction." So if the exhaust is pushed out of the back end of a jet engine with 40,000 lbs. of force, there is 40,000 lbs. of force pushing the jet, and the aircraft to which it's attached, the other direction.

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  • $\begingroup$ Newton's Third Law answers the why question. The others answer how. $\endgroup$ – FreeMan Jul 2 '15 at 3:56
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The reason it’s self sustaining is that a considerable amount of power - about 75% of the total increase in enthalpy for the air moving through the gas turbine - is used to power the compressor section of the gas core. The remaining 25% or so of the available power is either converted into velocity by a nozzle to create reactive thrust (turbojet) or to drive a power turbine which drives a ducted fan, or a reduction gearbox which drives either a propeller or powertrain (turbofan, turboprop, turboshaft).

Now this process does require the engine core to operate at a very high speed in order to provide enough energy to sustain the compressor section of the gas core. Typically when started, the gas core must be spun up by either an electric or pneumatic starter to around 12-20% of its maximum operating speed before fuel is introduced during the process. Too slow, and the combustion process will not sustain and speed up the core to a typical idling speed around 60%. Worse, this spin up will lag or delay (hang start) which can overheat and permanently damage the hot section of a turbine engine. Pilots are always wary of this and will watch the engine temps like a hawk as fuel is introduced during the startup process. It is the one Achilles heel of an otherwise rock solid and reliable type of aircraft powerplant.

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  • $\begingroup$ So is it true than that the increase in energy (by burning fuel) expands in both directions (in general) but it's easier to expand out of the back? $\endgroup$ – Bigbohne Jan 26 '18 at 18:15
  • $\begingroup$ Not exactly. A better way to think of it is that hot gases leaving the turbine section in the jet pipe cannot backflow through the turbine due to higher pressures in this region than in the jetpipe, but can exit through the mouth of the nozzle, as atmospheric pressure here is lower than the internal pressure found in the jet pipe. $\endgroup$ – Carlo Felicione Jan 26 '18 at 18:21
  • $\begingroup$ Aha ... so there is an "energy loop" here. More hot gas -> more gas leaving the engine -> higher pressure in compressor -> harder for the gas to push forward? ... That would also explain why you have to bring the engine up to speed/compression before it's self sustaining $\endgroup$ – Bigbohne Jan 26 '18 at 21:31
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The heat from the burning fuel means that the volume of exhaust gasses is greater than the volume of air and fuel. Since work that can be done by a pressurised fluid depends on the pressure and the volume the work that can be done by the exhaust gasses is greater than the work needed to pump the air and fuel into the engine.

After that it becomes a matter of careful engineering to make the turbine and compressor perform sufficiently across the operating range of the engine.

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