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I know that the F-16 VISTA tech demonstrator incorporated 2D thrust vectoring and could perform this maneuver. I also know that military variants of the F-16 are prevented from intentionally entering such extreme angles of attack via their flight limiters.

However, I also know one more thing; there is a switch just in front of the throttle that allows "manual pitch override". This disables the pitch-plane limiter of the FLCC to allow the pilot to recover from certain types of deep stalls when normally the flight limiters would freeze the control surfaces due to the detected extreme AOA.

The question is, can U.S. military-variant F-16s, with MPO enabled, perform a "Cobra" maneuver like Pugachev's Cobra?

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No.

This would require a docile pitch behavior of the airframe up to approx. 110° angle of attack. The design of both the Su-27 and the MiG-29 is based on a geometry that has been carefully optimized by TsAGI to behave nicely over its full AoA range, a care that has not been spent by General Dynamics while designing the F-16. The specifications did not call for it, because the idea was to create a low-cost lightweight fighter to complement the heavy F-15.

However, even the F-15 is AoA limited because less care was spent on its aerodynamic refinement. At higher angles of attack, both the F-16 and the F-15 show a nasty pitch-up which cannot be controlled with the aerodynamic control surfaces - only thrust vectoring can manage this. Contrast this which the Su-27, which shows balanced and slightly negative (nose down) pitch moments over the full AoA range, so the limited control authority coupled with the aircraft's dynamics can make the Cobra maneuver possible.

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  • $\begingroup$ What about the F-35? $\endgroup$
    – Firee
    Feb 10, 2016 at 11:27
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    $\begingroup$ @Firee: I do not know the pitch over AoA behavior of the F-35 but don't see how it can be stable with its planform. Stealth was more important than aerodynamics, and to be honest, the F-35 is a dog in comparison to the F-16 (at least the earlier models, before they were burdened with all that added equipment for multi-role capabilities). $\endgroup$ Feb 10, 2016 at 12:30
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    $\begingroup$ @Firee The F-35 is docile in pitch up to 50°. This is already much better than the F-16, but not enough for the Cobra maneuver (which is only good for airshows anyway). $\endgroup$ Jul 10, 2021 at 20:49
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It's a no - simply because of the AoA limiter.

Basically the MPO switch is only for getting out of a Deep Stall condition (the switch was added around Block 5).

For the F-16MATV program they removed the AoA limiter and tested it (including A-A) in the early 90s. It could do all the high Alpha stuff the YF-22 could do simple as really.

So yes it was Multi Axis Thrust Vectoring (MATV) not 2D - it had to be - the TV is basically providing the Yaw directional stability the tail cannot provide at high Alpha (not unique affects most single tail jets).

TV was going to be fitted to the entire fleet - the MATV had a GE engine but P&W had also started on one - but they decided it wasn't required.

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No, due, primarily, to the fact that the "cobra" maneuver is entirely useless in ACM/BFM. There is no need for the flight software to support such a maneuver. Any fighter pilot who left himself in a zero energy state after a purely defensive maneuver like the so-called "cobra" will find himself with a much-deserved missile up his tailpipe.

Pugachev's Cobra is an airshow maneuver, nothing more.

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    $\begingroup$ Please note, that I agree 100% on your reasoning and assessment, however no where in the question is it stated "for combat." P's cobra may very well be an airshow and "in the movies only" type of maneuver, but the question is simply asking if the F16 can do it. And yes, I did +1 you. $\endgroup$
    – CGCampbell
    Jan 26 at 17:07

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