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I recently saw a video that I believe was filmed in Turkey where a skydiver was prevented from jumping out of a hot air balloon by the operator/pilot.

Man tries to jump out of a hot air balloon (YouTube video)

His rationale for stopping the jumper was:

  1. the balloon could go out of control and fly up unexpectedly
  2. he could lose his licensing.

He goes into a long explanation of the dangers of someone unexpectedly jumping out but something seems off to me. I have done balloon jumps and the basket is incredibly stable when people jump. The basket and people must weight a couple thousand pounds so I can't see how a person with a parachute could have the dramatic effect that is described in his explanation. I am in no way arguing that he should have been allowed to jump, just saying I am not buying the potential danger described.

Does the description of the danger hold any air?

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    $\begingroup$ Re "His rationale for stopping the jumper was 1) the balloon could go out of control and fly up unexpectedly, 2) he could lose his licensing."-- I haven't watched the video, but it seems from this description that there should have been more of a pre-flight discussion. What, was the existence of the parachute and the intention to jump not revealed until the flight was already underway? ??!!?? $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 28 at 17:34
  • $\begingroup$ After watching the video-- perhaps he had the chute hidden under a jacket or coat that he removed in the middle of a flight? (Edit) sounds like they were at around 3000' AGL when this all happened-- $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 28 at 17:48
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    $\begingroup$ In the UK, the ANO says "the dropping of persons by parachute and which is made under and in accordance with the terms of a parachuting permission granted by the CAA under article 90" so you'd need a permit for a parachute jump. Turkey is a member of the ICAO so I'd guess something similar applies there. $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 29 at 11:03
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    $\begingroup$ The balloon pilot should have just yanked the wannabe skydiver's D-ring so the chute would fall out in a clump on the floor of the balloon basket! (I guess the springy thing in the pilot chute could have been a problem though :( ) Maybe in the future all balloon pilots should carry a bicycle cable lock to lock the skydiving rig to the balloon basket; that would be a way to instantly end the issue -- $\endgroup$ Commented Mar 1 at 17:15
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    $\begingroup$ @quietflyer That adds much more danger than it takes away. If he was able to get a chute out while in the basket there is no telling what would happen. If he was able to pull his pilot chute all the way out, the main parachute would probably just fall out in the deployment bag. If he pulled the reserve handle, it could get ugly as that is spring loaded and could potentially inflate. For the most part D-rings are going the way of the dinosaur being replaced by padded handles. $\endgroup$
    – SDH
    Commented Mar 1 at 19:01

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The basket and people must weight a couple thousand pounds so I can't see how a person with a parachute could have the dramatic effect that is described in his explanation. I am in no way arguing that he should have been allowed to jump, just saying I am not buying the potential danger described.

Does the description of the danger hold any air?

The explanation starting at 2:30 in the video (

) is enlightening. By "parachute" he is referring to the round top of the balloon which is only held in place by some velcro, plus the upward pressure of the hot air which forces the "parachute" upwards against the load tapes. Normally the "parachute" is only pulled slightly downward occasionally on one side to spill a small amount of hot air, until after touchdown when it is pulled completely down to deflate the envelope as soon as possible to prevent the wind from dragging the balloon along on the ground. A downward aerodynamic load on the top of the balloon due to an abnormally high ascent rate could dislodge the "parachute" entirely and let all the hot air out. This is why skydivers should normally only be allowed to exit when the balloon has zero vertical speed, or is in a descent. Likewise for hang glider drops.

The "parachute" or "parachute valve" can be seen on a diagram on this web page: https://hotairflight.com/blog/parts-of-a-hot-air-balloon?expand_article=1

This link some interesting reading about skydiving from balloons.

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  • $\begingroup$ Last link is really more about logistics than flight dynamics/safety but still is an interesting (and kind of funny) read-- some more links could surely be found that more directly address the flight dynamics/safety issues-- $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 29 at 13:57
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    $\begingroup$ So if: 1) The balloon is moving upwards. 2) The person jumping is a large percentage of the total weight to have maximum effect(small balloon and basket with few passengers etc.) -- a danger exists. I believe the pilot in the video may have been overstating the danger but he probably did that to scare off any additional morons that would want to try this without permission. $\endgroup$
    – SDH
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TLDR: Running the numbers with some assumptions, an average person in average conditions cannot induce a parachute stall by jumping out of the basket

I'm no ballooning expert, but I can give some reasoning. This relies heavily on the AAIB report found here

Background information on how balloons can crash

Normally, balloons have a parachute at the top of the balloon. Normal balloons are designed such that once you open the parachute, the flow of air that goes along it, generates lift, which pushes up the parachute and closes off the gap. This means it's a self-restoring element. However, this only works if the parachute can 'use' the airflow to generate enough lift to push itself back up. Like a normal wing, the parachute can end up in a condition where the flow stalls and lift is greatly reduced, meaning, the parachute cannot return to its closed position. This is called parachute stall . Similar to wings, a stall is dependent on the exact flow conditions and the geometry, so I cannot say in a generic way when it will happen.

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Source

Analysis on what can factors influence parachute stall

However, we can look at what's influencing the forces on the parachute. Let's look at a parachute in normal conditions. It looks like this:

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If we look at the balance of the forces in z on the parachute:

$$ p_{air} \cdot A + W_{balloon} = p_{balloon} \cdot A \tag{1}\label{1}$$

or reorganized:

$$ W_{balloon} = \left(p_{balloon} - p_{air}\right) \cdot A \tag{2}\label{2}$$

If we want to let some air out, we can pull the rope, which will reduce $A$, and reduce the net upward forces due to the pressure difference, causing the parachute to fall.

However, the force balance of Formula \eqref{1} only holds when we're not moving vertically. If we go up at a certain speed, the top of the parachute will collide with the air, causing an increase in pressure, called dynamic pressure:

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The dynamic pressure is added to the force balance of \eqref{1}:

$$ p_{air} \cdot A + W_{balloon} + p_{dyn} \cdot {A} = p_{balloon} \cdot A \tag{3}\label{3}$$

The dynamic pressure is related to the flow velocity V:

$$ p_{air} \cdot A + W_{balloon} + \frac{1}{2}\rho V^2 \cdot {A} = p_{balloon} \cdot A \tag{4}\label{4}$$

So, rising (by the pilot, or by a passenger jumping out), can cause the parachute to fall, and then it's dependent on the exact conditions if a stall occurs or not. If a stall occurs, the parachute will not return to its closed position, and the balloon will let out hot air and crash.

This is confirmed by AAIB:

High rates of climb: With an increase in the rate of climb comes a corresponding increase in the pressure on top of the balloon envelope and above the parachute. The faster the climb rate, the higher the pressure. As this pressure increases, the difference between the pressure above and below the parachute valve decreases, resulting in a decrease in the distance the parachute can be pulled into the envelope before it reaches the stall point. Aggressive venting whilst in a fast climb could more easily result in a parachute stall.

Of course, with the pilot unaware, you could have a combination of the two, where the pilot is making the balloon rise quickly and then somebody jumps out, which would exacerbate the risks.

Given Formula \eqref{4},the right input data and an estimation of how much $\Delta V$ one person jumping would generate one could estimate the risk of parachute stall. However, without knowing more about the exact flow conditions and geometry of the parachute, we cannot determine if it's stalled.

Estimating risk due to person jumping

What we can do, is to look at the vertical speeds that have led to parachute stall, and then see if a person jumping out could induce those velocities.

From the document we find the vertical velocity where a parachute stall happened:

The AAIB obtained flight data from one case involving a lightly loaded balloon that climbed from a low height at 8 m/s, a similar rate to G-CMFS’s last climb before the accident. The pilot described a parachute stall which caused the throat to close. The balloon stopped climbing and began descending at about 6 m/s (1,200 ft/min). He managed to burn through the envelope to re-inflate it and landed shortly afterwards.

Can a person jumping out of the balloon lead to such a vertical velocity?

This source gives the following mass for a hot air balloon with 5 passengers: 800 kg, with a passenger weight of 80 kg each.

Once the passenger jumps, there is an upward imbalance of 80 * 9.81 = 784.8 N. But what is the 'terminal velocity' achievable by this imbalance? We can set the upward force equal to the drag.

$$ F_{up} = \frac{1}{2} \cdot \rho \cdot V^2 \cdot C_D \cdot A $$ $C_D \cdot A$ is 254m2 for a typical hot air balloon in ascending flight.

At a typical flight altitude of 3,000 ft, the density is 1.12 kg/m3

$$ 784.8 = \frac{1}{2} \cdot 1.12 \cdot V^2 \cdot 254 $$

Solving for V gives us an upward terminal velocity of 2.34 m/s; less than the mentioned 8 m/s needed for parachute stall.

So the average passenger of the average hot air balloon in average conditions, with a non-responding balloon pilot, can not make it crash by jumping out.

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    $\begingroup$ For my own curiosity of how much mass lost would give the balloon 8 m/s terminal velocity, (1/2) * 1.12 * 8 ^2 * 229 -> 8207N -> 1,845lbs $\endgroup$
    – MackM
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    – ROIMaison
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Yes, the danger is real. A hot air balloon basket weighs very little, and can often be easily carried by two people. I haven't seen your video but the total payload can be less then 750 pounds so having two hundred pounds of ballast jump out can make a real difference, causing the balloon to gain a lot of height and potentially putting it into very different wind conditions.

At the end of the day, everything that happens is the pilots responsibility. If they are unsure of any aspect of the flight, they must take the least risky option.

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    $\begingroup$ Even if the payload plus basket weighs only 750 lb, the entire aircraft must weigh roughly double that to stay buoyant (it must displace 750 lb of atmosphere, with something not much lighter). 200 / 1500 isn't quite so dramatic. $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 27 at 23:38
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    $\begingroup$ Re "(it must displace 750 lb of atmosphere, with something not much lighter)" -- if the buoyant lift is to be x pounds (say 750) and density rato of the displacing gas (air) to the surrounding gas (air) is y which you are suggesting is not much less than 1, then doesn't the total weight z of the displacing gas (air) have to be such that (z/y) -z = x? If y is not much less than one, then the weight of the displacing gas must be much larger than x. Source cited above lists an envelope volume of 77,000 cubic feet to lift 550 pounds of ballon, plus the occupants which might typcially be 2. $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 28 at 14:18
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    $\begingroup$ (Ctd) So, total weight is way more than double the uninflated weight + occupants! That helps to explain how it can ever be safe to allow a skydive, or a hang glider drop (google it for some cool videos!) $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 28 at 14:43
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    $\begingroup$ That's not research, that's a class exercise where the total mass or weight is specified up front. My point was simply that C.G.'s comment hugely underestimated the total weight of a 2-3 occupant balloon, by incorrectly suggesting that the total weight including weight of air in envelope should be about double the weight of empty envelope+basket+occupants. Also see links to actual figures for typical envelope volumes within comments. $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 28 at 16:58
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    $\begingroup$ @PaulSmith I agree the jumper in the linked video was an ass but my question has nothing to do with him. I have jumped multiple times but never the last person to leave. At no point have I ever experienced any sudden motion or instability that the pilot mentions in his explanation. Are you speaking from experience when you say the movement 'is significant'? $\endgroup$
    – SDH
    Commented Feb 28 at 17:04

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