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Does an SVFR clearance extendFAR 91.157(a) uses the phrase “within the airspace contained by the upward extension of the lateral boundaries of the controlled airspace designated to Echothe surface extensionsfor an airport to Class D airspace? No it does notindicate where a SVFR clearance may be authorized.

Likewise at KTLV (Lake Tahoe), authorizationThe FAA often uses the phrase "surface area" to operate under special VFR would onlyrefer to the controlled airspace that actually surrounds the airport for which it is designated, specifically excluding any surface-level Class E "extensions". An argument can be valid withinmade that in the round dashed magenta shapecontext of interpreting the meaning of the FARs, notthis is the rectangular dashed magenta shapemost correct understanding of the phrase "surface area". This interpretation is based on the difference between the language used to describe surface-level Class E "extensions", and the language used to describe other surface-level Class E airspace, in the "Airspace Designations and Reporting Points" document, current edition (See chart)FAA Order JO 7400.11E. For more on this, see the related ASE question What indication has the FAA given that phrases like "surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport" do or don't include E4 "extensions"?.

In both casesBut the key phrase is "designated... "for an airportsurface area" does not appear in FAR 91.157(a).

ThereforeHowever, the only practical purpose of a Class-Ephrase "designated for an airport" does appear in FAR 91.157(a). An argument can be made -to-surface "extension" is again, based on based on the difference between the language used to extend standarddescribe surface-level Class E cloud clearance"extensions", and visibility requirements all the waylanguage used to describe other surface-level Class E airspace, in the "Airspace Designations and Reporting Points" document, current edition FAA Order JO 7400.11E -- that this phrase excludes surface-level Class E "extensions". Again, for more on this, see the protection of IFR traffic emerging from clouds at low altitudesrelated ASE question What indication has the FAA given that phrases like "surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport" do or don't include E4 "extensions"?. Once a According to this interpretation, FAR 91.157(a) would not include the surface-level Class E "extensions", so Special VFR aircraftshould not be authorized there.

However, one problem with this argument is above the level ofthat FAR 71.71(b) seems to either 1) use the floorphrase "designated for an airport" in its description of theall surface-level Class E airspace surrounding a Class-E-to-surface "extension" (typically 700' AGL, or 2) omit any reference to surface-level Class E "extensions" at all, there is no practical significance asin which case it seems the "extensions" might be construed not to whetherlegally exist at all. Obviously, the aircraftlatter interpretation is within the "lateral boundaries" ofsomewhat problematic. This seems to imply that the "extension" or notphrase "designated for an airport" should not be construed to exclude surface-level Class E "extensions".

Highly related --It is also unclear as to whether or not whether January 10 2018 FAA memorandum carefully addressing the precise meaning of "withinFAR 91.155(c), the lateral boundariesregulation against flying below a ceiling of 1000' AGL or lower, applies in the surface area of-level Class E airspace designated for an airport"--"extensions", because the specific context here is commercial drone operationslanguage of FAR 91. This155(c) is virtuallyvery parallel to the same language as we find inof FAR 91.157 -- "within(a). Again, the airspace contained byphrase "designated for an airport" is used, but the upward extension ofphrase "surface area" is not. For more on this, see the lateral boundariesrelated ASE answer "Does FAR 91.155c apply to class E surface extensions?"

The last paragraph of this 2010 response from the FAA ATO Western Service Center concludes that due to the wording of FAR 91.157(a), SVFR should not be authorized in surface-level Class E "extensions".

One problem with the controlled airspace designated to2010 response from the surface for an airport", andFAA ATO Western Service Center is that is contains the passage "The language in FAR 91.155 -- "beneath157 exactly matches the ceilinglanguage in FAAO 7400.9T par 6002.". within This is not actually quite true, because FAAO 7400.9T par 6002. contains the lateral boundaries of controlledphrase "The Class E airspace areas listed below are designated to theas a surface area for an airport when the ceiling is less than 1,000 feet." As we've already noted above, FAR 91.157(a) does not actually contain the phrase "surface area".

Also related -- much longerNaturally, for specific airspaces, sometimes there are also specific operational considerations that preclude authorization of Special VFR flight in-depth answers to these questions- surface-

Does FAR 91.155c apply to class E surface extensions?

Which parts of class E airspace can an ultralight (part 103) fly in without prior ATC authorization?

As an aside,level Class E "extensions". One such case is noted in relation to interpreting the languagesecond-to-last paragraph of the ATC Handbook regarding where SVFR is authorizedthis 2010 response from the FAA ATO Western Service Center (7110same link as immediately above).65W However, parathe related ASE answer A: In the US, in actual practice, workload permitting, will ARTC facilities grant SVFR clearance for surface-level Class E “extensions” (E4 airspace)? gives examples of similar situations where controllers are willing to authorize Special VFR flight in surface-level Class E "extensions".

FAA Order 7110.65Y, entitled "Air Traffic Control", states in section 7-5-1-a 2), which lacks the "designated for an airport" or "designated to the surface for an airport" qualifier, it is relevant to note that the AIM, andSpecial VFR flight will only be authorized "within the section headingslateral boundaries of Class B, Class C, Class D, or Class E FAA JO 7400 "Airspace Designations and Reporting Points"surface areas, both usebelow 10,000 feet MSL." As noted above, there are many instances where the FAA has used the phrase "Surface Area""surface area" to refer ONLYonly to the Class-E-to-surface airspacescontrolled airspace that actually enclosesurrounds the airports whose approaches they protect-airport for which it is designated, specifically excluding any surface- i.elevel Class E "extensions". the same class-E-to-surface airspaces that are described as "designated So this passage could be construed as a surface area for an airport"guidance that Special VFR flight should not be authorized in the main body of JO 7400-surface- and not to thelevel Class-E-to-surface "extensions". The E "extensions" are never called "surface areas" in these documents.

If anyone can come up with ANY written But it's not clear that this guidance from any FAA source onwould really be congruent with the exact original question (orbest interpretation of the one remeaning of FAR 91.155c157(a).

In actual practice, that is written SPECIFICALLY to addresscontrollers will often authorize SVFR operationsflight in surface-level Class E "extensions". For more on this, and gives an EXPLICIT clear answer without makingsee this related ASE answer. (And controllers generally use the reader parseword "surface area" in its most logical sense-- meaning the regs, AIM, and other relevant materials to come up with an understandingentire column of controlled airspace that is in contact with the meaning ofearth's surface, including any surface-level Class E "extensions".)

The truth is that the FAA is deeply divided as to whether phrases in the FARs like "surface area", "designated to the surface for an airport", "within the lateral boundariesand "surface area of controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport", "within the lateral boundaries of the should or should not be construed to include surface area of-level Class E "extensions".1 Ambiguity around this issue has existed ever since the 1993 "alphabet" airspace designated for an airport"re-designation.2 There's some consideration of a future rule-making effort to address this issue.3 It's possible that the language in AIM 3-2-6, "Designated as a Surface Area"well as in the legend of the Chart Supplements, andthat reads "Surface Area", then PLEASE add a linkarea arrival extensions become part of the surface area and are in effect during the same times as the surface area" will be changed in the future to avoid implying that material hereall regulations that apply to the core "surface area" should automatically be construed to apply to the surface-level Class E "extensions" as well. Regardless of whether4

Due the materialconfusion around this issue, whenever a pilot is recent or olderissued a SVFR clearance for a given controlled airspace, he or supportsshe should verify whether or contradicts this answer. Likewise for that matter fornot it includes any content SPECIFICALLY addressing the ultralight question re FAR 103.17. Research on related topics suggestsadjoining "extensions", in any case where that it would notmight be at all surprising if the FAA has not been entirely consistent with its memorandaa factor.

Footnotes:

1, rulings2, and interpretations on these issues3,4) Source-- comments made by high-level FAA staffers during April 2021 airspace charting meeting.

Related ASE questions and answers

A: Does an SVFR clearance extend to Echo surface extensions?

A: In the US, in actual practice, workload permitting, will ARTC facilities grant SVFR clearance for surface-level Class E “extensions” (E4 airspace)?

A: Does FAR 91.155c apply to class E surface extensions?

Q: What indication has the FAA given that phrases like "surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport" do or don't include E4 "extensions"?

A: What indication has the FAA given that phrases like “surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport” do or don't include E4 “extensions”?

A: Is the official weather report for an airport in Class D airspace controlling for its Class E surface extension?

Q: Which parts of class E airspace can an ultralight (part 103) fly in without prior ATC authorization?

Does an SVFR clearance extend to Echo surface extensions to Class D airspace? No it does not.

Likewise at KTLV (Lake Tahoe), authorization to operate under special VFR would only be valid within the round dashed magenta shape, not the rectangular dashed magenta shape. (See chart).

In both cases the key phrase is "designated... for an airport".

Therefore the only practical purpose of a Class-E-to-surface "extension" is to extend standard Class E cloud clearance and visibility requirements all the way to the surface, for the protection of IFR traffic emerging from clouds at low altitudes. Once a VFR aircraft is above the level of the floor of the Class E airspace surrounding a Class-E-to-surface "extension" (typically 700' AGL), there is no practical significance as to whether the aircraft is within the "lateral boundaries" of the "extension" or not.

Highly related -- January 10 2018 FAA memorandum carefully addressing the precise meaning of "within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport"-- the specific context here is commercial drone operations. This is virtually the same language as we find in FAR 91.157 -- "within the airspace contained by the upward extension of the lateral boundaries of the controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport", and FAR 91.155 -- "beneath the ceiling... within the lateral boundaries of controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport when the ceiling is less than 1,000 feet."

Also related -- much longer in-depth answers to these questions--

Does FAR 91.155c apply to class E surface extensions?

Which parts of class E airspace can an ultralight (part 103) fly in without prior ATC authorization?

As an aside, in relation to interpreting the language of the ATC Handbook regarding where SVFR is authorized (7110.65W, para. 7-5-1-a 2), which lacks the "designated for an airport" or "designated to the surface for an airport" qualifier, it is relevant to note that the AIM, and the section headings of FAA JO 7400 "Airspace Designations and Reporting Points", both use the phrase "Surface Area" to refer ONLY to the Class-E-to-surface airspaces that actually enclose the airports whose approaches they protect-- i.e. the same class-E-to-surface airspaces that are described as "designated as a surface area for an airport" in the main body of JO 7400-- and not to the Class-E-to-surface "extensions". The "extensions" are never called "surface areas" in these documents.

If anyone can come up with ANY written guidance from any FAA source on the exact original question (or the one re FAR 91.155c), that is written SPECIFICALLY to address SVFR operations, and gives an EXPLICIT clear answer without making the reader parse the regs, AIM, and other relevant materials to come up with an understanding of the meaning of phrases like "designated to the surface for an airport", "within the lateral boundaries of controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport", "within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport", "Designated as a Surface Area", and "Surface Area", then PLEASE add a link to that material here. Regardless of whether the material is recent or older, or supports or contradicts this answer. Likewise for that matter for any content SPECIFICALLY addressing the ultralight question re FAR 103.17. Research on related topics suggests that it would not be at all surprising if the FAA has not been entirely consistent with its memoranda, rulings, and interpretations on these issues.

FAR 91.157(a) uses the phrase “within the airspace contained by the upward extension of the lateral boundaries of the controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport to indicate where a SVFR clearance may be authorized.

The FAA often uses the phrase "surface area" to refer to the controlled airspace that actually surrounds the airport for which it is designated, specifically excluding any surface-level Class E "extensions". An argument can be made that in the context of interpreting the meaning of the FARs, this is the most correct understanding of the phrase "surface area". This interpretation is based on the difference between the language used to describe surface-level Class E "extensions", and the language used to describe other surface-level Class E airspace, in the "Airspace Designations and Reporting Points" document, current edition FAA Order JO 7400.11E. For more on this, see the related ASE question What indication has the FAA given that phrases like "surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport" do or don't include E4 "extensions"?.

But the phrase "surface area" does not appear in FAR 91.157(a).

However, the phrase "designated for an airport" does appear in FAR 91.157(a). An argument can be made -- again, based on based on the difference between the language used to describe surface-level Class E "extensions", and the language used to describe other surface-level Class E airspace, in the "Airspace Designations and Reporting Points" document, current edition FAA Order JO 7400.11E -- that this phrase excludes surface-level Class E "extensions". Again, for more on this, see the related ASE question What indication has the FAA given that phrases like "surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport" do or don't include E4 "extensions"?. According to this interpretation, FAR 91.157(a) would not include the surface-level Class E "extensions", so Special VFR should not be authorized there.

However, one problem with this argument is that FAR 71.71(b) seems to either 1) use the phrase "designated for an airport" in its description of all surface-level Class E airspace, or 2) omit any reference to surface-level Class E "extensions" at all, in which case it seems the "extensions" might be construed not to legally exist at all. Obviously, the latter interpretation is somewhat problematic. This seems to imply that the phrase "designated for an airport" should not be construed to exclude surface-level Class E "extensions".

It is also unclear as to whether or not whether FAR 91.155(c), the regulation against flying below a ceiling of 1000' AGL or lower, applies in the surface-level Class E "extensions", because the language of FAR 91.155(c) is very parallel to the language of FAR 91.157(a). Again, the phrase "designated for an airport" is used, but the phrase "surface area" is not. For more on this, see the related ASE answer "Does FAR 91.155c apply to class E surface extensions?"

The last paragraph of this 2010 response from the FAA ATO Western Service Center concludes that due to the wording of FAR 91.157(a), SVFR should not be authorized in surface-level Class E "extensions".

One problem with the 2010 response from the FAA ATO Western Service Center is that is contains the passage "The language in FAR 91.157 exactly matches the language in FAAO 7400.9T par 6002.". This is not actually quite true, because FAAO 7400.9T par 6002. contains the phrase "The Class E airspace areas listed below are designated as a surface area for an airport." As we've already noted above, FAR 91.157(a) does not actually contain the phrase "surface area".

Naturally, for specific airspaces, sometimes there are also specific operational considerations that preclude authorization of Special VFR flight in surface-level Class E "extensions". One such case is noted in the second-to-last paragraph of this 2010 response from the FAA ATO Western Service Center (same link as immediately above). However, the related ASE answer A: In the US, in actual practice, workload permitting, will ARTC facilities grant SVFR clearance for surface-level Class E “extensions” (E4 airspace)? gives examples of similar situations where controllers are willing to authorize Special VFR flight in surface-level Class E "extensions".

FAA Order 7110.65Y, entitled "Air Traffic Control", states in section 7-5-1 that Special VFR flight will only be authorized "within the lateral boundaries of Class B, Class C, Class D, or Class E surface areas, below 10,000 feet MSL." As noted above, there are many instances where the FAA has used the phrase "surface area" to refer only to the controlled airspace that actually surrounds the airport for which it is designated, specifically excluding any surface-level Class E "extensions". So this passage could be construed as guidance that Special VFR flight should not be authorized in surface-level Class E "extensions". But it's not clear that this guidance would really be congruent with the best interpretation of the meaning of FAR 91.157(a).

In actual practice, controllers will often authorize SVFR flight in surface-level Class E "extensions". For more on this, see this related ASE answer. (And controllers generally use the word "surface area" in its most logical sense-- meaning the entire column of controlled airspace that is in contact with the earth's surface, including any surface-level Class E "extensions".)

The truth is that the FAA is deeply divided as to whether phrases in the FARs like "surface area", "designated for an airport", and "surface area of controlled airspace designated for an airport" should or should not be construed to include surface-level Class E "extensions".1 Ambiguity around this issue has existed ever since the 1993 "alphabet" airspace re-designation.2 There's some consideration of a future rule-making effort to address this issue.3 It's possible that the language in AIM 3-2-6, as well as in the legend of the Chart Supplements, that reads "Surface area arrival extensions become part of the surface area and are in effect during the same times as the surface area" will be changed in the future to avoid implying that all regulations that apply to the core "surface area" should automatically be construed to apply to the surface-level Class E "extensions" as well.4

Due the confusion around this issue, whenever a pilot is issued a SVFR clearance for a given controlled airspace, he or she should verify whether or not it includes any adjoining "extensions", in any case where that might be a factor.

Footnotes:

1,2,3,4) Source-- comments made by high-level FAA staffers during April 2021 airspace charting meeting.

Related ASE questions and answers

A: Does an SVFR clearance extend to Echo surface extensions?

A: In the US, in actual practice, workload permitting, will ARTC facilities grant SVFR clearance for surface-level Class E “extensions” (E4 airspace)?

A: Does FAR 91.155c apply to class E surface extensions?

Q: What indication has the FAA given that phrases like "surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport" do or don't include E4 "extensions"?

A: What indication has the FAA given that phrases like “surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport” do or don't include E4 “extensions”?

A: Is the official weather report for an airport in Class D airspace controlling for its Class E surface extension?

Q: Which parts of class E airspace can an ultralight (part 103) fly in without prior ATC authorization?

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Does an SVFR clearance extend to Echo surface extensions to Class D airspace? No it does not.

Likewise at KTLV (Lake Tahoe), authorization to operate under special VFR would only be valid within the round dashed magenta shape, not the rectangular dashed magenta shape. (See chart).

In both cases the key phrase is "designated... for an airport".

Therefore the only practical purpose of a Class-E-to-surface "extension" is to extend standard Class E cloud clearance and visibility requirements all the way to the surface, for the protection of IFR traffic emerging from clouds at low altitudes. Once a VFR aircraft is above the level of the floor of the Class E airspace surrounding a Class-E-to-surface "extension" (typically 700' AGL), there is no practical significance as to whether the aircraft is within the "lateral boundaries" of the "extension" or not.

Highly related -- January 10 2018 FAA memorandum carefully addressing the precise meaning of "within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport"-- the specific context here is commercial drone operations. This is virtually the same language as we find in FAR 91.157 -- "within the airspace contained by the upward extension of the lateral boundaries of the controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport", and FAR 91.155 -- "beneath the ceiling... within the lateral boundaries of controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport when the ceiling is less than 1,000 feet."

Also related -- much longer in-depth answers to these questions--

Does FAR 91.155c apply to class E surface extensions?

Which parts of class E airspace can an ultralight (part 103) fly in without prior ATC authorization?

As an aside, in relation to interpreting the language of the ATC Handbook regarding where SVFR is authorized (7110.65W, para. 7-5-1-a 2), which lacks the "designated for an airport" or "designated to the surface for an airport" qualifier, it is relevant to note that the AIM, and the section headings of FAA JO 7400 "Airspace Designations and Reporting Points", both use the phrase "Surface Area" to refer ONLY to the Class-E-to-surface airspaces that actually enclose the airports whose approaches they protect-- i.e. the same class-E-to-surface airspaces that are described as "designated as a surface area for an airport" in the main body of JO 7400-- and not to the Class-E-to-surface "extensions". The "extensions" are never called "surface areas" in these documents.

If anyone can come up with ANY written guidance from any FAA source on the exact original question (or the one re FAR 91.155c), that is written SPECIFICALLY to address SVFR operations, and gives an EXPLICIT clear answer without making the reader parse the regs, AIM, and other relevant materials to come up with an understanding of the meaning of phrases like "designated to the surface for an airport", "within the lateral boundaries of controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport", "within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport", "Designated as a Surface Area", and "Surface Area", then PLEASE add a link to that material here. Regardless of whether the material is recent or older, or supports or contradicts this answer. Likewise for that matter for any content SPECIFICALLY addressing the ultralight question re FAR 103.17. Research on related topics suggests that it would not be at all surprising if the FAA has not been entirely consistent with its memoranda, rulings, and interpretations on these issues.

Does an SVFR clearance extend to Echo surface extensions to Class D airspace? No it does not.

Likewise at KTLV (Lake Tahoe), authorization to operate under special VFR would only be valid within the round dashed magenta shape, not the rectangular dashed magenta shape. (See chart).

In both cases the key phrase is "designated... for an airport".

Therefore the only practical purpose of a Class-E-to-surface "extension" is to extend standard Class E cloud clearance and visibility requirements all the way to the surface, for the protection of IFR traffic emerging from clouds at low altitudes. Once a VFR aircraft is above the level of the floor of the Class E airspace surrounding a Class-E-to-surface "extension" (typically 700' AGL), there is no practical significance as to whether the aircraft is within the "lateral boundaries" of the "extension" or not.

Highly related -- January 10 2018 FAA memorandum carefully addressing the precise meaning of "within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport"-- the specific context here is commercial drone operations. This is virtually the same language as we find in FAR 91.157 -- "within the airspace contained by the upward extension of the lateral boundaries of the controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport", and FAR 91.155 -- "beneath the ceiling... within the lateral boundaries of controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport when the ceiling is less than 1,000 feet.

Also related -- much longer in-depth answers to these questions--

Does FAR 91.155c apply to class E surface extensions?

Which parts of class E airspace can an ultralight (part 103) fly in without prior ATC authorization?

As an aside, in relation to interpreting the language of the ATC Handbook regarding where SVFR is authorized (7110.65W, para. 7-5-1-a 2), which lacks the "designated for an airport" or "designated to the surface for an airport" qualifier, it is relevant to note that the AIM, and the section headings of FAA JO 7400 "Airspace Designations and Reporting Points", both use the phrase "Surface Area" to refer ONLY to the Class-E-to-surface airspaces that actually enclose the airports whose approaches they protect-- i.e. the same class-E-to-surface airspaces that are described as "designated as a surface area for an airport" in the main body of JO 7400-- and not to the Class-E-to-surface "extensions". The "extensions" are never called "surface areas" in these documents.

If anyone can come up with ANY written guidance from any FAA source on the exact original question (or the one re FAR 91.155c), that is written SPECIFICALLY to address SVFR operations, and gives an EXPLICIT clear answer without making the reader parse the regs, AIM, and other relevant materials to come up with an understanding of the meaning of phrases like "designated to the surface for an airport", "within the lateral boundaries of controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport", "within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport", "Designated as a Surface Area", and "Surface Area", then PLEASE add a link to that material here. Regardless of whether the material is recent or older, or supports or contradicts this answer. Likewise for that matter for any content SPECIFICALLY addressing the ultralight question re FAR 103.17. Research on related topics suggests that it would not be at all surprising if the FAA has not been entirely consistent with its memoranda, rulings, and interpretations on these issues.

Does an SVFR clearance extend to Echo surface extensions to Class D airspace? No it does not.

Likewise at KTLV (Lake Tahoe), authorization to operate under special VFR would only be valid within the round dashed magenta shape, not the rectangular dashed magenta shape. (See chart).

In both cases the key phrase is "designated... for an airport".

Therefore the only practical purpose of a Class-E-to-surface "extension" is to extend standard Class E cloud clearance and visibility requirements all the way to the surface, for the protection of IFR traffic emerging from clouds at low altitudes. Once a VFR aircraft is above the level of the floor of the Class E airspace surrounding a Class-E-to-surface "extension" (typically 700' AGL), there is no practical significance as to whether the aircraft is within the "lateral boundaries" of the "extension" or not.

Highly related -- January 10 2018 FAA memorandum carefully addressing the precise meaning of "within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport"-- the specific context here is commercial drone operations. This is virtually the same language as we find in FAR 91.157 -- "within the airspace contained by the upward extension of the lateral boundaries of the controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport", and FAR 91.155 -- "beneath the ceiling... within the lateral boundaries of controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport when the ceiling is less than 1,000 feet."

Also related -- much longer in-depth answers to these questions--

Does FAR 91.155c apply to class E surface extensions?

Which parts of class E airspace can an ultralight (part 103) fly in without prior ATC authorization?

As an aside, in relation to interpreting the language of the ATC Handbook regarding where SVFR is authorized (7110.65W, para. 7-5-1-a 2), which lacks the "designated for an airport" or "designated to the surface for an airport" qualifier, it is relevant to note that the AIM, and the section headings of FAA JO 7400 "Airspace Designations and Reporting Points", both use the phrase "Surface Area" to refer ONLY to the Class-E-to-surface airspaces that actually enclose the airports whose approaches they protect-- i.e. the same class-E-to-surface airspaces that are described as "designated as a surface area for an airport" in the main body of JO 7400-- and not to the Class-E-to-surface "extensions". The "extensions" are never called "surface areas" in these documents.

If anyone can come up with ANY written guidance from any FAA source on the exact original question (or the one re FAR 91.155c), that is written SPECIFICALLY to address SVFR operations, and gives an EXPLICIT clear answer without making the reader parse the regs, AIM, and other relevant materials to come up with an understanding of the meaning of phrases like "designated to the surface for an airport", "within the lateral boundaries of controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport", "within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport", "Designated as a Surface Area", and "Surface Area", then PLEASE add a link to that material here. Regardless of whether the material is recent or older, or supports or contradicts this answer. Likewise for that matter for any content SPECIFICALLY addressing the ultralight question re FAR 103.17. Research on related topics suggests that it would not be at all surprising if the FAA has not been entirely consistent with its memoranda, rulings, and interpretations on these issues.

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Does an SVFR clearance extend to Echo surface extensions to Class D airspace? No it does not.

Likewise at KTLV (Lake Tahoe), authorization to operate under special VFR would only be valid within the round dashed magenta shape, not the rectangular dashed magenta shape. (See chart).

In both cases the key phrase is "designated... for an airport".

Therefore the only practical purpose of a Class-E-to-surface "extension" is to extend standard Class E cloud clearance and visibility requirements all the way to the surface, for the protection of IFR traffic emerging from clouds at low altitudes. Once a VFR aircraft is above the level of the floor of the Class E airspace surrounding a Class-E-to-surface "extension" (typically 700' AGL), there is no practical significance as to whether the aircraft is within the "lateral boundaries" of the "extension" or not.

Highly related -- January 10 2018 FAA memorandum carefully addressing the precise meaning of "within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport"-- the specific context here is commercial drone operations. This is virtually the same language as we find in FAR 91.157 -- "within the airspace contained by the upward extension of the lateral boundaries of the controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport", and FAR 91.155 -- "beneath the ceiling... within the lateral boundaries of controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport when the ceiling is less than 1,000 feet.

Also related  -- much longer in-depth answers to these questions--

Does FAR 91.155c apply to class E surface extensions?

Which parts of class E airspace can an ultralight (part 103) fly in without prior ATC authorization?

InAs an aside, in relation to interpreting the language of the ATC Handbook regarding where SVFR is authorized (7110.65W, para. 7-5-1-a 2), which lacks the "designated for an airport" or "designated to the surface for an airport" qualifier, it is relevant to note that the AIM, and the section headings of FAA JO 7400 "Airspace Designations and Reporting Points", both use the phrase "Surface Area" to refer ONLY to the Class-E-to-surface airspaces that actually enclose the airports whose approaches they protect-- i.e. the same class-E-to-surface airspaces that are described as "designated as a surface area for an airport" in the main body of JO 7400-- and not to the Class-E-to-surface "extensions". The "extensions" are never called "surface areas" in these documents.

If anyone can come up with ANY written guidance from any FAA source on the exact original question (or the one re FAR 91.155c), that is written SPECIFICALLY to address SVFR operations, and gives an EXPLICIT clear answer without making the reader parse the regs, AIM, and other relevant materials to come up with an understanding of the meaning of phrases like "designated to the surface for an airport", "within the lateral boundaries of controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport", "within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport", "Designated as a Surface Area", and "Surface Area", then PLEASE add a link to that material here. Regardless of whether the material is recent or older, or supports or contradicts this answer. Likewise for that matter for any content SPECIFICALLY addressing the ultralight question re FAR 103.17. Research on related topics suggests that it would not be at all surprising if the FAA has not been entirely consistent with its memoranda, rulings, and interpretations on these issues.

Does an SVFR clearance extend to Echo surface extensions to Class D airspace? No it does not.

Likewise at KTLV (Lake Tahoe), authorization to operate under special VFR would only be valid within the round dashed magenta shape, not the rectangular dashed magenta shape. (See chart).

In both cases the key phrase is "designated... for an airport".

Highly related -- January 10 2018 FAA memorandum carefully addressing the precise meaning of "within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport"-- the specific context here is commercial drone operations. This is virtually the same language as we find in FAR 91.157 -- "within the airspace contained by the upward extension of the lateral boundaries of the controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport", and FAR 91.155 -- "beneath the ceiling... within the lateral boundaries of controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport when the ceiling is less than 1,000 feet.

Also related-- much longer in-depth answers to these questions--

Does FAR 91.155c apply to class E surface extensions?

Which parts of class E airspace can an ultralight (part 103) fly in without prior ATC authorization?

In relation to interpreting the language of the ATC Handbook regarding where SVFR is authorized (7110.65W, para. 7-5-1-a 2), which lacks the "designated for an airport" or "designated to the surface for an airport" qualifier, it is relevant to note that the AIM, and the section headings of FAA JO 7400 "Airspace Designations and Reporting Points", both use the phrase "Surface Area" to refer ONLY to the Class-E-to-surface airspaces that actually enclose the airports whose approaches they protect-- i.e. the same class-E-to-surface airspaces that are described as "designated as a surface area for an airport" in the main body of JO 7400-- and not to the Class-E-to-surface "extensions". The "extensions" are never called "surface areas" in these documents.

If anyone can come up with ANY written guidance from any FAA source on the exact original question (or the one re FAR 91.155c), that is written SPECIFICALLY to address SVFR operations, and gives an EXPLICIT clear answer without making the reader parse the regs, AIM, and other relevant materials to come up with an understanding of the meaning of phrases like "designated to the surface for an airport", "within the lateral boundaries of controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport", "within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport", "Designated as a Surface Area", and "Surface Area", then PLEASE add a link to that material here. Regardless of whether the material is recent or older, or supports or contradicts this answer. Likewise for that matter for any content SPECIFICALLY addressing the ultralight question re FAR 103.17. Research on related topics suggests that it would not be at all surprising if the FAA has not been entirely consistent with its memoranda, rulings, and interpretations on these issues.

Does an SVFR clearance extend to Echo surface extensions to Class D airspace? No it does not.

Likewise at KTLV (Lake Tahoe), authorization to operate under special VFR would only be valid within the round dashed magenta shape, not the rectangular dashed magenta shape. (See chart).

In both cases the key phrase is "designated... for an airport".

Therefore the only practical purpose of a Class-E-to-surface "extension" is to extend standard Class E cloud clearance and visibility requirements all the way to the surface, for the protection of IFR traffic emerging from clouds at low altitudes. Once a VFR aircraft is above the level of the floor of the Class E airspace surrounding a Class-E-to-surface "extension" (typically 700' AGL), there is no practical significance as to whether the aircraft is within the "lateral boundaries" of the "extension" or not.

Highly related -- January 10 2018 FAA memorandum carefully addressing the precise meaning of "within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport"-- the specific context here is commercial drone operations. This is virtually the same language as we find in FAR 91.157 -- "within the airspace contained by the upward extension of the lateral boundaries of the controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport", and FAR 91.155 -- "beneath the ceiling... within the lateral boundaries of controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport when the ceiling is less than 1,000 feet.

Also related  -- much longer in-depth answers to these questions--

Does FAR 91.155c apply to class E surface extensions?

Which parts of class E airspace can an ultralight (part 103) fly in without prior ATC authorization?

As an aside, in relation to interpreting the language of the ATC Handbook regarding where SVFR is authorized (7110.65W, para. 7-5-1-a 2), which lacks the "designated for an airport" or "designated to the surface for an airport" qualifier, it is relevant to note that the AIM, and the section headings of FAA JO 7400 "Airspace Designations and Reporting Points", both use the phrase "Surface Area" to refer ONLY to the Class-E-to-surface airspaces that actually enclose the airports whose approaches they protect-- i.e. the same class-E-to-surface airspaces that are described as "designated as a surface area for an airport" in the main body of JO 7400-- and not to the Class-E-to-surface "extensions". The "extensions" are never called "surface areas" in these documents.

If anyone can come up with ANY written guidance from any FAA source on the exact original question (or the one re FAR 91.155c), that is written SPECIFICALLY to address SVFR operations, and gives an EXPLICIT clear answer without making the reader parse the regs, AIM, and other relevant materials to come up with an understanding of the meaning of phrases like "designated to the surface for an airport", "within the lateral boundaries of controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport", "within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport", "Designated as a Surface Area", and "Surface Area", then PLEASE add a link to that material here. Regardless of whether the material is recent or older, or supports or contradicts this answer. Likewise for that matter for any content SPECIFICALLY addressing the ultralight question re FAR 103.17. Research on related topics suggests that it would not be at all surprising if the FAA has not been entirely consistent with its memoranda, rulings, and interpretations on these issues.

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