Timeline for Do GA IFR flights out of airports w/ SIDs typically use them? What about STARs?
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| Jan 18, 2020 at 11:00 | history | edited | J W | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 4, 2017 at 2:06 | comment | added | ammPilot | I fly a light single-engine airplane (Mooney), and often get assigned a STAR. When the weather is IMC, I typically fly the full STAR until ATC starts to vector me for the approach. If VMC, they often give me a shortcut (direct to a VOR near the destination) and tell me to expect a visual approach. | |
| Feb 3, 2017 at 15:10 | comment | added | Connor Spangler | Perfect, thanks again! | |
| Feb 3, 2017 at 14:34 | comment | added | J W | @Answoquest Filing for, or receiving clearance for, a SID does not require that you know your departure runway. In the case of the READE4.MOL, I could file just that, and then regardless of which runway is used, the SID will direct me to CARML and thence onward. If I didn't want to use one of the other transitions, I would just file READE4.READE, and plan to transition to enroute from READE. | |
| Feb 3, 2017 at 5:20 | comment | added | Connor Spangler | Thanks for all the detailed answers! Last couple: When you file your flight plan, since you don't know for sure which runway ATC will clear you for or the SID they will offer you, do you still enter one in the plan? e.g. KRIC READE4.MOL for the READE 4 SID w/ the Montibello transition. What if you want to use the SID but without one of the transitions? | |
| Feb 2, 2017 at 23:20 | comment | added | J W |
@Answoquest 3 I have never a STAR under VFR, but I have used or consulted SIDs for guidance when making a VFR climbout in mountainous terrain.
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| Feb 2, 2017 at 23:18 | comment | added | J W |
2 In my experience ATC rarely, if ever, sends us very far out of our way. I have never gotten a SID that would send me in the wrong direction very far. One example is a SID that sends me in the wrong direction about 15 miles, and if I have to fly it far enough I will. But in that case, once I have climbed high enough ATC usually gives me direct my destination in the opposite direction.
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| Feb 2, 2017 at 23:15 | comment | added | J W | To specifically address the example of the COLIN6, KRIC does have several other SIDs, but they all take you either east, northeast, or west. If you wanted to go south, ATC would probably vector or otherwise get you heading in the right direction sooner. | |
| Feb 2, 2017 at 23:07 | comment | added | J W |
1 No, I often don't perform the entire SID. I sometimes get vectors off the SID or more frequently get a "direct to" my destination or a waypoint further down the flightplan. Departure control is usually very good at getting me heading in the right directly out of there airspace; they want me out of their hair.
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| Feb 2, 2017 at 23:06 | vote | accept | Connor Spangler | ||
| Feb 2, 2017 at 23:01 | history | edited | J W | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Feb 2, 2017 at 22:59 | comment | added | Connor Spangler | Great response thanks! As a follow-up question or two: - Do you always perform the entire SID? For example, in the COLIN SID I posted above, performing the entire thing would take me a hell of a distance in a very specific direction which may not be at all optimal for my destination, and there isn't a "better" SID available. Same question concerning the altitude (in the example 5000 ft). - What percentage of the time do you have ATC vector you completely differently from your filed plan, e.g. different SID or not a SID at all? And finally - Do you use SIDs and STARs at all while VFR? | |
| Feb 2, 2017 at 22:53 | history | answered | J W | CC BY-SA 3.0 |