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Where I fly, it is customary for a pilot maintaining instrument currency to pay all the costs associated with the training flight while a safety pilot volunteers their time in exchange for the opportunity to log PIC. I personally don't disagree with this arrangement, since it encourages pilots to help each other out.

The FAA has repeatedly taken the position that building up flight time is considered compensatory in nature when the pilot does not pay the costs to operate the aircraft (see Harrington 1997, Lincoln 1990, and Howell 2013).

So, in this case, is the safety pilot being "compensated" by logging PIC? I vaguely remember seeing something saying that the FAA did NOT consider this compensation, but I can't remember where I saw that...

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This actually came up in chat recently -- the answer (if only the two pilots are on board) is a qualified "No", not because the time isn't "compensation" but because the safety pilot is a required crewmember for simulated instrument flight.
Since both pilots are required crewmembers the safety pilot is not acting as a PIC of a flight carrying passengers as long as they are only acting as the Legal PIC while the other pilot is under the hood.
(Note however that while neither pilot is in simulated instrument conditions the safety pilot is not required crew, and therefore someone is PIC of a flight carrying at least one passenger - so log your time carefully and try to wrap your head around a "pro rata share" of that mess.)

This is further addressed (more directly) in the interpretation issued to Roberts, July 11, 2012.

Note that if we're talking about a flight with more than the two pilots on board (carrying someone who is NOT a required crewmember, like a friend in the back seat) then the whole thing goes out the window: No matter who is acting as the Legal PIC for the flight they're "PIC of a flight carrying passengers", and you're back to pro rata share territory.

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Wouldn't whatever arrangements are made about sharing cost be a contract between independent parties? Government has no business regulating that in any country claiming to have economic freedome.

You could even argue that because the safety pilot is on hire he should be paid for his time, rather than having to pay for it.
But again that's a business arrangement between independent parties.

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Without wanting to get too far into political theory, the FAA regulates many aspects of what people do while operating under a private pilot's license. The reality is that the government reserves the right to restrict the freedoms of people who want to fly aircraft about the place -- indeed this does impact the pure freedom of the market, as is the case for any government-licensed commercial activity. The question then is how far economic freedom is restricted, not whether it is restricted. You should see the restrictions on the contracts licensed taxi drivers are permitted to make ;-) –  Steve Jessop Jun 19 at 8:21
To add to Steve's comment, if you have a commercial pilot's license, you can charge for your services. This pro-rata stuff only applies to private pilots –  falstro Jun 19 at 8:36
@SteveJessop maybe, but that doesn't mean the government can dictate that you have to charge for something, only that you're allowed to charge for it. There's very few things carrying minimum prices. –  jwenting Jun 19 at 9:53
@jwenting: It's not a matter of the training pilot being "required to charge" but whether the safety pilot is "allowed to charge" for being there -- in this case, whether the opportunity to log hours without paying for fuel or aircraft counts as "charging" for the service of being the safety pilot. –  Henning Makholm Jun 19 at 11:52

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